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Toolbox shortcuts AC10

fuzzytnth3 — Mon, 29 May 2006 10:42:10 GMT

Am I right in saying that the default AC10 keyboard shortcuts don't have any setup for the Toolbox like there was for AC 9?

I tried to use the old AC 9 shortcuts for the toolbox but a lot of them conflict with the new AC10 shortcuts.

Anyone got a nice logical scheme for the Toolbox shortcuts. I've attached what I've got so far but it's not ideal.

One annoying thing that AC10 doesn't show that AC 9 did was when you float your mouse over the Toolbox icons it would show you the name of the Tool plus what it's shortcut is but in AC 10 it only shows you the name of the the Tool but no shortcut.

Re: Toolbox shortcuts AC10

Scott Bulmer — Mon, 29 May 2006 15:22:05 GMT

I don't have an answer for you as I am equally as frustrated. BUT I would like to add to your list with 'Marquee' & 'Arrow' selection shortcuts.
Scott

Re: Toolbox shortcuts AC10

fuzzytnth3 — Mon, 29 May 2006 15:51:28 GMT

Actually what the screenshot shows is just what appears in the menu Design / Design Tools I have actualy defined the arrow tool to use the number 1.

I haven't come up with an alternative for the Mesh tool as the M key is used logically enough for the Measure command. Although I'm still using the the Control and Coordinate Boxes but then I'm old fashioned so I suppose I could fore go the new Measure pallette

Re: Toolbox shortcuts AC10

Anonymous — Mon, 29 May 2006 23:12:08 GMT

Aside from the Arrow Tool/Last Tool toggle I hardly ever use the hotkeys for tool selection. Perhaps it's just old habits but I find the option/alt click much faster.

That said, I still haven't settled on what I want to do with the new AC10 standard shortcuts. I have a feeling that they will at least make my life interesting for a while as I have to work with whatever my various clients decide to use (and I have to decide what to recommend).

Re: Toolbox shortcuts AC10

Link — Tue, 30 May 2006 00:00:17 GMT

One annoying thing that AC10 doesn't show that AC 9 did was when you float your mouse over the Toolbox icons it would show you the name of the Tool plus what it's shortcut is but in AC 10 it only shows you the name of the the Tool but no shortcut.

This is not actually correct. AC10's tooltips still shows all the keyboard shortcuts, it's just that the default (INT) Shortcut Scheme does not include many Toolbox shortcuts. Hover over the Polyline tool to see.

Graphisoft drastically changed the keyboard shortcuts, but they almost had to with all the new features they added. You are still able to redifine them, as you've found out. And even though you are on the INT version you may wantto take a look at the US Upgrade Profile at:

http://www.graphisoft.com/support/archicad/downloads/library_updates10/USA.html

This file includes a Work Environment which offers the old shortcut keys from AC9.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Toolbox shortcuts AC10

fuzzytnth3 — Tue, 30 May 2006 08:27:26 GMT

This is not actually correct. AC10's tooltips still shows all the keyboard shortcuts, it's just that the default (INT) Shortcut Scheme does not include many Toolbox shortcuts. Hover over the Polyline tool to see.

Well I have shortcuts assigned to most of the Tools on the Toolbar but they aren't being displayed when I float my mouse over the icons.

I wonder if there is a difference between the US version and the European version?

Re: Toolbox shortcuts AC10

Link — Tue, 30 May 2006 11:27:55 GMT

I wonder if there is a difference between the US version and the European version?

I wouldn't have thought so. It's usually the same program with localization for different regions. I'm running just the INT (817) at the moment, as I recently uninstalled the US version.

One way to run a quick check is to do a New & Reset All (hold down the alt key when you open the File menu). This will reset your project template as well as your WE, so be sure to save yours out first.

Regardless, it sounds a little buggy to me.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Toolbox shortcuts AC10

fuzzytnth3 — Tue, 30 May 2006 13:51:50 GMT

Weird thing I have found is that the smaller Toolbox Tools pallette the name of the tool and the shortcut appear but still don't work for the fullsize pallette.

Re: Toolbox shortcuts AC10

Chazz — Tue, 30 May 2006 17:25:12 GMT

fuzzytnth3 wrote:
Weird thing I have found is that the smaller Toolbox Tools pallette the name of the tool and the shortcut appear but still don't work for the fullsize pallette.

Yep, here too. Gotta say that I much prefer the Toolbox to the Tool palette. Smaller, simpler and without the Selection/Design/Document divisions which I find a little patronizing (if I'm using the wall tool in a detail isn't that documenting?).

Re: Toolbox shortcuts AC10

TomWaltz — Tue, 30 May 2006 18:30:14 GMT

Chazz wrote:
fuzzytnth3 wrote:
Weird thing I have found is that the smaller Toolbox Tools pallette the name of the tool and the shortcut appear but still don't work for the fullsize pallette.
Yep, here too. Gotta say that I much prefer the Toolbox to the Tool palette. Smaller, simpler and without the Selection/Design/Document divisions which I find a little patronizing (if I'm using the wall tool in a detail isn't that documenting?).

You can use the Wall Tool in a Detail Window?

Re: Toolbox shortcuts AC10

Chazz — Tue, 30 May 2006 18:45:17 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
You can use the Wall Tool in a Detail Window?

I assume this is a rhetorical question...... No you can't. But not all details are created in a detail window generated via the detail tool. I do plenty of them in the floor plan window.

Long time users may recall that version 4.5 allowed you to use the wall tool in a Section window but they it had no effect on the model. They just became 2D elements and it was useful at times ...... But I guess it was deemed just too weird to continue. However, it seems almost as strange now that the 3D tools are not grayed out in section windows.

BTW I was able to see the tool key combination hints when flying over the Tool Palette as well as the Toobox.

Re: Toolbox shortcuts AC10

TomWaltz — Tue, 30 May 2006 18:52:16 GMT

Chazz wrote:
I assume this is a rhetorical question...... No you can't. But not all details are created in a detail window generated via the detail tool. I do plenty of them in the floor plan window.

I can imagine the Graphisoft reponse: "Why would you do that? If you only use Archicad the way we recommend for what we designed it for, everything would work fine. "

(not saying I agree with it, just that it is the response I would expect....)

Re: Toolbox shortcuts AC10

Link — Wed, 31 May 2006 04:04:20 GMT

Incidentally, you can import your ArchiCAD 9 profile (and/or schemes) into 10 and see how you go. [Note: when you import a earlier profile, you will then probably need to rename the new Company Standards Scheme.] Then you can go to Work Environment > Command Layout Schemes > Menus and view the 'All new commands in alphabetical order' from the drop down list to add new commands. This could be a lot of trouble though - guess it depends if you'd rather go to the bother of adding things to an old profile or learn the new way. I know what I'd be doing.

Also, you can see a summary of new shortcuts and shortcut changes in ArchiCAD 10 at:

http://www.archicadwiki.com/TechNotes/Shortcut_changes_in_AC10

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Toolbox shortcuts AC10

Anonymous — Wed, 31 May 2006 18:05:33 GMT

Link wrote:
....Also, you can see a summary of new shortcuts and shortcut changes in ArchiCAD 10 at:

http://www.archicadwiki.com/TechNotes/Shortcut_changes_in_AC10

Cheers,
Link.

Hi,
Is there one for US or INT and US use the same shortcuts?
Thanks,
Joseph

Re: Toolbox shortcuts AC10

Link — Wed, 31 May 2006 23:04:08 GMT

Is there one for US or INT and US use the same shortcuts?

Doesn't look like it Joseph, but you could try asking Ed (Brown) if he's created one.

Cheers,
Link.