topic Re: ArchiCAD10 vs Revit!! in Modeling

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Anonymous — Tue, 02 May 2006 14:19:12 GMT

I saw some documents to compare between Revit and AC.
I study Revit from own website.
It is just copy from AC!!

I used to work with AC (and very satisfied, and like many friends from AC-forum).
As AC-user I hope, AC must be better than Revit for Architects.

I have not used Revit, but just seen from Website.
The web-site from Revit is so nice, that I must believe, Revit should be better than AC.

I like to know your opinions and also opinions from GS.

Thanks

Re: ArchiCAD10 vs Revit!!

Anonymous — Tue, 02 May 2006 14:41:47 GMT

Why dont you download it for yourself. and try it out.

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?siteID=123112&id=7142518

I found some parts better than archicad and some parts not so good.

Re: ArchiCAD10 vs Revit!!

Scott Davis — Tue, 02 May 2006 17:13:39 GMT

samsung wrote:
It is just copy from AC!!

Similar in some ways, maybe. But a copy? Not even close.

Re: ArchiCAD10 vs Revit!!

Anonymous — Tue, 02 May 2006 17:35:46 GMT

Scott wrote:

Similar in some ways, maybe. But a copy? Not even close.

Did you use AC?
Than you can say your opinion between two programms.

Re: ArchiCAD10 vs Revit!!

Chadwick — Tue, 02 May 2006 18:22:08 GMT

I have used both and to say that one is a copy of another is rediculous. Thats like saying a Honda is a copy of a Chevy because they are both cars. The two programs have distinct features and even ways about how they handle the building information. Revit has live connections for drawings whereas ArchiCAD requires you to update them. ArchiCAD will now have plotmaker integrated whereas Revit has always had its sheet layout integrated. I could go on and on - there is no way to understand the inner workings of a program from just reading features on a website or asking someone else's opinion.

Do what I did: download the demo, order an instructional book from Paul Aubin and jump in. Thats the only way you'll know the differences (and similarities)

Re: ArchiCAD10 vs Revit!!

Anonymous — Tue, 02 May 2006 18:42:39 GMT

So many time I dont want to invest.
I wanted just to know, what Revit can do, because Revit is very often compared to AC.

Re: ArchiCAD10 vs Revit!!

Anonymous — Wed, 03 May 2006 00:32:58 GMT

Try this:

http://www.dgcad.com/

There are some videos (free) so you can check some features.

(Beware they are all +100MB files)

Re: ArchiCAD10 vs Revit!!

__archiben — Wed, 03 May 2006 01:54:30 GMT

Scott wrote:
Similar in some ways, maybe. But a copy? Not even close.

scott - having read through both the revit 9 and the archicad 10 new features guide it seems quite apparent that both have concentrated this release on consolidating many of each others smaller, simple or easy to implement features. that's not to say each haven't got their own 'look-ma-no-hands' selling point, or that there is any blatant copying happening, but i do understand what samsung is saying . . .

that being said, it's also quite apparent that the engines that run both applications are markedly different. as an archicad user i have a gut feeling that the revit engine is far superior. whilst the revit feature set may be lacking in some areas at present (my opinion), and the '9' release didn't really have the flash-bang that previous releases have had, i believe that it will be able to accommodate much more future development than archicad's underlying technologies currently can.

~/archiben

Re: ArchiCAD10 vs Revit!!

Anonymous — Wed, 03 May 2006 03:37:56 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
that being said, it's also quite apparent that the engines that run both applications are markedly different. as an archicad user i have a gut feeling that the revit engine is far superior. whilst the revit feature set may be lacking in some areas at present (my opinion), and the '9' release didn't really have the flash-bang that previous releases have had, i believe that it will be able to accommodate much more future development than archicad's underlying technologies currently can.

~/archiben

This is exactly how i feel. After some use of the revit demo, im convinced autodesk is on the right track. The core engine that archicad is built on is old, and is somewhat frustrating to use during conceptual phases of a project where the design changes constantly. the current v9 features and new features for 10 are great, but if revit had them it may be difficult to justify using AC at all. I understand that changing the foundation of the software is no small task, but they have been at this for 20+ years. hopefully this is under development now.

That being said i still have no compelling reason to switch. I think Archicad 10 will be a good release and relieve some project management anguish in our office. if money were no object and i was a little more insane, i would build the model in revit then IFC to AC for documents, because i think somewhere between the two is the BIM nirvana im looking for.

Re: ArchiCAD10 vs Revit!!

Anonymous — Wed, 03 May 2006 07:35:00 GMT

avcamara wrote:
Try this:

http://www.dgcad.com/

There are some videos (free) so you can check some features.

(Beware they are all +100MB files)

I have seen already, thanks.
I don't want to test very deep ( I am not computer-expert, and I will not).
I want to discuss as architect.
I know AC very well. His method of thinking and something like that or philosophy.
The best way to learn AC very easy is to try to be a good organised architect.
The best way to learn Autodesk is to try to be a good computer-expert or engineer.

How about with Revit?

Re: ArchiCAD10 vs Revit!!

Petros Ioannou — Wed, 03 May 2006 08:25:07 GMT

samsung wrote:
The best way to learn AC very easy is to try to be a good organised architect.
The best way to learn Autodesk is to try to be a good computer-expert or engineer.

Re: ArchiCAD10 vs Revit!!

Anonymous — Wed, 03 May 2006 17:57:52 GMT

Basically, don't switch. You will not like what you will see in Revit. Revit is still to much "read me" software. By "read me" I mean there are no icons or symbols representing option in Properties. A lot of scrolling through the options. Everything is so compacted. I personally don't like the interface. And still some people say integrated, no updating necessary, but Revit experts tell me, If I will isolate part of the plan (some area) will it be isolated also in 3D ? No. Why ? Can I see in 3D just 1-st floor - NO, I mean yes you can, but it is so frustrating how to make it that it is almost pointless to use it. Ghrrr. Btw. Make a simple test. Draw a wall on a plan a have the 3D window open, you will not see the wall until it is created, same thing the other way. So where is the seamlessness here? Don't get me wrong, I like Revit, but it is still a teen.

Re: ArchiCAD10 vs Revit!!

Anonymous — Wed, 03 May 2006 18:41:10 GMT

Thanks Miki
Than it is no copy

The website of revit is so nice, I have feeling, with this Revit I can be rabbit in worderland.

I will go on with my architects tool ArchiCAD.

Re: ArchiCAD10 vs Revit!!

Anonymous — Wed, 03 May 2006 18:45:54 GMT

Who and why censored that word? Is that automatic? To all of you - the censored word is description of the kid between 11 and 19. t e e n .

Re: ArchiCAD10 vs Revit!!

TomWaltz — Wed, 03 May 2006 18:49:51 GMT

Miki wrote:
Who and why censored that word? Is that automatic? To all of you - the censored word is description of the kid between 11 and 19. t e e n .

Yeah, the censoring is automatic on the board. Some words get filtered no matter what, usually ones with any possible sexual connotations.

Re: ArchiCAD10 vs Revit!!

Scott Davis — Wed, 03 May 2006 18:58:17 GMT

Miki wrote:
you will not see the wall until it is created

Typically, thats the way it works. you dont see things until you actually create them. Does this make sense to anyone else?

Miki wrote:
but it is so frustrating how to make it that it is almost pointless to use it.

clicking "Orient to other View" is frustrating? Wow, if the simple things frustrate you.....

Re: ArchiCAD10 vs Revit!!

Anonymous — Wed, 03 May 2006 19:27:18 GMT

Scott wrote:
Miki wrote:
you will not see the wall until it is created

Typically, thats the way it works. you dont see things until you actually create them. Does this make sense to anyone else?

I mean when you are creating ex. wall you see a preview how it will look, before you accept second node, but only in current window.

Scott wrote:

Miki wrote:
but it is so frustrating how to make it that it is almost pointless to use it.

clicking "Orient to other View" is frustrating? Wow, if the simple things frustrate you.....

Scott you know it is not so intuitive, you have to activate 3D windows first (if model is complex it takes time) then use Orient (this is in my opinion not a small thing).Orient command is changing your point of view, and maybe I'm using it wrong but when I choose "Level 2" (from the standard starting settings) it shows all Level 1 and cut in half Level 2. And what if building have middle levels? This in my opinion is far more difficult to use than just selecting elements you want to see and activate a 3D window. My opinion of course. What Revit have is more similar to AC Cut planes but limited to only horizontal cut planes (although enhanced with interactivity).

Re: ArchiCAD10 vs Revit!!

Anonymous — Wed, 03 May 2006 19:43:48 GMT

Miki wrote:
What Revit have is more similar to AC Cut planes but limited to only horizontal cut planes (although enhanced with interactivity).

I must laugh... It is not for me. 3D model with Revit, AutoCAD and AC is OK. 3D model is same 3d model.
But the method of working is very important.

Phase to phase is important. From concept and to calculating and to working drawing and BOQ, if concept changed, than automatically updated.
This concept from AC makes AC really powerfull, not for Frank Gehry Architecture.

Thank you, Miki
I know very well what you mean. The both programms are quite different.

Re: ArchiCAD10 vs Revit!!

Anonymous — Wed, 03 May 2006 20:21:57 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
.........as an archicad user i have a gut feeling that the revit engine is far superior. whilst the revit feature set may be lacking in some areas at present (my opinion)...........i believe that it will be able to accommodate much more future development than archicad's underlying technologies currently can.

~/archiben

Ben I value your thoughts on future of AC vs. Revit a lot. If what you say is correct should we be thinking about a transition to Revit in coming years? I am putting the future of my company on AC and would like to have some planning in order?
Thanks in advance on your input,
Joseph

Re: ArchiCAD10 vs Revit!!

stefan — Wed, 03 May 2006 20:25:42 GMT

As an ArchiCAD user with basic Revit skills, I appreciate Revit very much. I think that they might even have the best BIM integration at the moment, especially with the more direct updating, the element relationships and a well-thought out workflow. And they finally support IFC both ways, have connections with structural software and engineering and have a good graphical engine. And they seem to be improving nicely, despite the rather dull and text-oriented interface.

But ArchiCAD and Revit are about the same quality level. To me, these two programs are clearly the top of the crowd. I don't want to pick any of them to be the best (certainly with my limited experience in Revit and my lack of day-to-day work in ArchiCAD at the moment).

Switching, though, is not the best option. When you switch, you do it for the things you love in the other application, but you'll miss the things you liked in your current application. Just don't switch to Architectural Desktop... I have spent more time there last month then in ArchiCAD or Revit (for teaching purposes) and it was not my best time spent...