topic Re: Window Question in Modeling

Window Question

Anonymous — Fri, 26 May 2023 12:52:47 GMT

In the Window Selection Settings window, under the category Floor Plan and Section ...

What does Enable Object's Linetypes and Enable Object's Pens mean? Also, when they say "symbol", are they talking about the window label or the floor plan drawing of the window?

Because I'm working on a historic structure, I would like for the window representation in plan to communicate the character of that window.

Re: Window Question

Erika Epstein — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:54:49 GMT

"Enable Objects's Linetypes and Pens" refers to the settings in the window/door settings box CTRL/T or CMD/T.
In the floor plan and section drop down window you show in your screen shot you have an opportunity to override those settings.

If you don't customize your windows and doors in their settings box (and save as a favorite) you can override the out-of-the-box settings by graphisoft to suit your office standards.

Re: Window Question

Thomas Holm — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:58:02 GMT

Erika wrote:
"Enable Objects's Linetypes and Pens" refers to the settings in the window/door settings box CTRL/T or CMD/T.

That is, those shown in the "Parameters" section...

Re: Window Question

Anonymous — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:21:53 GMT

In Parameters>Floor Plan Symbol, the setting for Symbol Pen is Pen 3 (1PT).

In Floor Plan and Section>Symbol & Outline, Symbol Line Pen is set to 7 (1.4MM).

Are these 2 settings for the same thing? Does one override the other?

Thomas - are you saying that the settings in the Parameters dialogue are the "mother" settings, and the settings in Floor Plan and Section are the "child" settings?

The settings in Parameters = Object's Linetypes and Pens?

Re: Window Question

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:47:48 GMT

Let's take an example: W1 Casement 11.gsm Window Object.
In the Parameters panel there are parameters that control the appearance of the object. Under the 2D Representation group of parameters you will find pens for the Symbol, the Frame, the Swing etc. These can all be set to different pens so your Window will look colorful on the Floor Plan if you want. The 2D Script of the Window library part is written in such a way so as to use these pens for the various components of the Window. ArchiCAD will use these if you check the Enable Object's Pens under the SYMBOL & OUTLINE category in the Floor Plan and Section panel.
However, if you do not check that checkbox, then ArchiCAD will use a single pen for the 2D Representation of the Window object. This pen you can set in the Symbol Line Pen field below this checkbox.
So when this checkbox is not checked, it is sure that your whole Window is drawn using the same Pen in 2D.
If it is checked, it is still possible that your whole 2D is dispalyed using the same Pen because maybe all the various pens controlling the various components of the Window are set to the same Pen (but you can change each one of them).
This works the same way for Symbol Linetypes.

Re: Window Question

Thomas Holm — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:39:51 GMT

mc0m wrote:
Thomas - are you saying that the settings in the Parameters dialogue are the "mother" settings, and the settings in Floor Plan and Section are the "child" settings?

Well, the object determines what Parameters it has, and if and how you're able to change them. Those that it wants listed you can see in the parameter list.
Some objects (example AC11 doors & windows) have special settings panes that deal with its parameters. They're still accessible in the parameter list, though.

The FPS settings determine how the project deals with the object and it's (optional) parameters.

The settings in Parameters = Object's Linetypes and Pens?

In short, yes.

See Lazlo's more detailed explanation above.

Re: Window Question

Anonymous — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:43:20 GMT

Thank you very much Thomas and laszlonagy!

This really helps my understanding.

Now I'm curious as to why the options are built this way. I think that in AC9 we only had the Parameters window - I don't remember having an override on top of that - or maybe it was just presented differently. I just jumped from AC9 to AC11 and feeling very unclear about a lot of things.

Still don't get the "why" of it. Seems like having the options in the parameters is enough?

Re: Window Question

Thomas Holm — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:30:47 GMT

Lazlo does explain the whys a bit. This override has been there for ages. I think some hands-on training on the recent version would pay for itself for you. This is evident from this thread and your others. Talk to your reseller or search the net.

Re: Window Question

Anonymous — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:56:27 GMT

Does anyone have advice/thoughts on which way to go? I've been using the parameters (objects linetypes and pens) but realistically, I would probably be happy with just the one pen as set under 'floor plan & section'

Re: Window Question

Anonymous — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:24:19 GMT

Thomas wrote:
Lazlo does explain the whys a bit. This override has been there for ages. I think some hands-on training on the recent version would pay for itself for you. This is evident from this thread and your others. Talk to your reseller or search the net.

I've had 2 training sessions at $100/hr. I've done the tutorials. My reseller does not provide intro training. It's very frustrating to me and I really can't afford any more sessions @ $100/hr.

Re: Window Question

Thomas Holm — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:34:06 GMT

OK I'm sorry your reseller has that attitude. There should be better sources, but I'm on the wrong side of the Atlantic...
The Help files are quite good though. And there is a lot to find on the Internet.

Re: Window Question

Anonymous — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:29:48 GMT

Thomas wrote:
OK I'm sorry your reseller has that attitude. There should be better sources, but I'm on the wrong side of the Atlantic...
The Help files are quite good though. And there is a lot to find on the Internet.

Maybe I'm the one on the wrong side of the Atlantic?

Re: Window Question

Erika Epstein — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:58:41 GMT

Stella,
If you put your city and state in your signature you might get some offers or suggestions for trainers in your area.

I've yet to hear of a reseller in this country that doesn't have a network or trainers to supplement there own efforts.

Re: Window Question

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:40:59 GMT

Chris wrote:
Does anyone have advice/thoughts on which way to go? I've been using the parameters (objects linetypes and pens) but realistically, I would probably be happy with just the one pen as set under 'floor plan & section'

I would say that if one pen color and one linetype is enough, then you should uncheck the Enable Object's Pens and Enable Object's Linetypes checkboxes and specify the pen and linetype you wish to use in the Floor Plan and Section panel.
In case you need more than one pen color/linetype, then check the corresponding checkbox and specify the pen/linetype of those component parts of the Window (or other Object) in the Parameters panel.
That's about all I can say about it in this regard.

Re: Window Question

Anonymous — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:46:18 GMT

yeah laszlo, there is no need to say more, you explain it good. mc0m-if you are in hurry,you boss losing patient or want to be more productive, use one pen color for whole window.

Re: Window Question

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:03:04 GMT

I want to focus on your other wish:

mc0m wrote:
Because I'm working on a historic structure, I would like for the window representation in plan to communicate the character of that window.

What do you mean? It can be shown in plans scaled to 1:20 or 1:10 but I cannot imagine it with 1:50 and 1:100! Is it a CAD problem or a drawing problem? Could you do it if you were drawing by hand?

Re: Window Question

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:58:51 GMT

kliment wrote:
I want to focus on your other wish:
mc0m wrote:
Because I'm working on a historic structure, I would like for the window representation in plan to communicate the character of that window.
What do you mean? It can be shown in plans scaled to 1:20 or 1:10 but I cannot imagine it with 1:50 and 1:100! Is it a CAD problem or a drawing problem? Could you do it if you were drawing by hand?

Right now I'm working at 1/4" and 1/8", and yes, it could be shown by hand.

Re: Window Question

Rex Maximilian — Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:50:12 GMT

mc0m wrote:
My reseller does not provide intro training. It's very frustrating to me and I really can't afford any more sessions @ $100/hr.

Hi Stella,

As a US reseller, I am making the assumption that you are hopefully mistaken about this. Every reseller is required to give introductory training with new purchases of ArchiCAD. Once that has been used, every reseller I know would give introductory training for an hourly fee.

Are you saying that introductory level training is FLAT OUT not available, or only available for a fee (after the initial training that comes with the purchase has been used). If that is the case, then it is only fair to charge for it.

Please PM me and let me know who your reseller is. I'm sure it's a misunderstanding and we can certainly help you!