topic Re: Group Operation Error ??? in Modeling

Group Operation Error ???

Anonymous — Fri, 26 May 2023 13:11:49 GMT

I am attempting to put SE 9 windows in a standard wall and getting the following error:
GROUP OPERATION ERROR
at line 876 of file Wa_Trim_US_1- SE 9.gsm

I have 2g of memory with 1g available on XP Pro

The error occurs when I try to open 3D window. The error does NOT occur in other projects so there must be a conflict with something I placed into the project. ANy Suggestions on where to look?

THANKS

Re: Group Operation Error ???

Anonymous — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:11:52 GMT

Do you have any other libraries loaded?

Have you tried modeling just the wall containing the troublesome window?

Re: Group Operation Error ???

James Murray — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:18:00 GMT

It's the window's fault, but it's your problem. Most likely you have put a setting in the window that has caused an error. (In the other project, different settings, no problem.) The message means there's a mistake in the window's code, probably having to do with the trim settings, judging by the 'Wa_Trim_US_1- SE 9.gsm'. In other words, they didn't anticipate someone using a setting in a certain way. To find the actual error would require digging into the code. Then to fix it is a whole other thing, not properly your responsibility.

Better to figure out which window(s) are causing the error, then try changing the trim settings until it goes away.

Good luck,

Re: Group Operation Error ???

Anonymous — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:38:50 GMT

-- This was strange - I tried reloading libraries, merging to new template, etc. to no avail. The problem persisted on all types of windows. So I tried just COPYing external wall, internal walls and other parts, all seperately to a new template so I would not have to re-draw the floor plan. There must have been something in the drawing that got corrupted that did not COPY over because now it works ????

Re: Group Operation Error ???

James Murray — Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:26:48 GMT

Alright, that sounds more like a bug, or a freak corruption thing. I don't like things like that, but out of sight/out of mind. Until next time. Carry on...

Re: Group Operation Error ???

Anonymous — Fri, 09 Dec 2005 04:03:39 GMT

I've been having the same problem, with exactly the same error message. I finally narrowed it down to one window in one wall. funny thing is...it was (so I thought) exactly the same as the other windows...esp. as I had turkey-basted and then injected this window with the properties of the adjacent windows...as I had done with ALL the other windows, actually. The only difference SEEMED to be that I had it set to gang on the left. Others ganged on the right, or both sides, and had no problem. WEIRD.
Pt 2., previous this weirdness, I had inherited a model from someone and the sills and head trim were careening recklessly off into space, for no reason. When I copied the ENTIRE MODEL into a new template, the problem disappeared, altogether. Nary a murmur of dissent. I don't get it. Something about the interaction of a window setting and some global, project-based setting? I don't know enough to troubleshoot it, just wanted to get my 2c in.
tx

Re: Group Operation Error ???

Anonymous — Fri, 09 Dec 2005 04:21:09 GMT

Yep; for me it's the left-gang button, in conjunction with Some Great Unknown...if it's just the right-gang, s'ok, if it's both, s'ok. So. I don't know where I could assign a characteristic asymmetrically, so I'm puzzled by this problem's chirality. Don't cha know.
zzz

Re: Group Operation Error ???

Anonymous — Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:44:13 GMT

Does anyone know how I can root out the source of this problem? It is recurring.
Thanks!

[tip] Re: Group Operation Error ???

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:13:42 GMT

Just a comment to add ... that relates to the problem-tracking process below and not necessarily to the subject of this thread!

A variety of errors do not appear in plan (2D) because the 3D view of objects is most often generated by a completely independent script from the 2D view.

A client had a similar problem with multiple errors in the 3D (or elevation) window. I ended up marqueeing various areas until I found the problem

You can avoid this 3D "surprises" relatively easily:

[Tip]: Before leaving the Settings dialog for any library part, click on the 3D (axo) preview as well as the 2D previews. If any errors will be generated, you'll almost always get the message right there and then. This way, you know that you are only placing valid elements in the project.

Naturally, more rigorous error-checking in all library parts would prevent many of these error messages - most of which arise when something is set to zero that cannot be zero (or less) - such as trim thickness. Users should never see messages like that that prompted this thread. Like James said: it is the windows (graphisoft's) fault, but is the user's problem to fix it (today).

HTH,
Karl

Re: Group Operation Error ???

Anonymous — Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:47:44 GMT

Good tip! But in my case, to no avail...when I look at the previews in the Settings dialog, I get no indication of errors. No errors in plan, and no errors in 3D (axon) view, either. It is Only when I look in section/ elevation that I get the error message...! And, I get Many of them...sometimes 16 or more. I can't narrow it down to a single window; I deleted all my windows, one by one, and the # of error messages decreased, until I had no windows and no errors. But then when I added a new window with the factory defaults-that is, no weird changes on my part- I got the error messages again! I don't get it. Is it perhaps the interaction of the wall and the window, then?
thanks--!

Re: Group Operation Error ???

Erika Epstein — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:07:11 GMT

Does the wall the windows are placed in have an SEO on it?

Did you drag the wall in question away from the model to verify the problem Is with the windows and wall or something about where it is placed?

Re: Group Operation Error ???

Anonymous — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:41:02 GMT

No, no SEOs on that wall...I plucked up one wall with 2 wins and one door and a section marker and moved em off to the side about 40' or so and opened the (newly created) elevation and it gave me the error message 23 times in a row! I think that's a new record. Then I copied those few elements and made a new drawing and pasted and looked and I had only 4 error messages in a row. Hmm. There should be zero, I think, but something fishy is up: between the trim and the walls and the view and the model-space...?

Re: Group Operation Error ???

Anonymous — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:06:03 GMT

I made a new wall and put in a new window. I then began systemically tweaking it unil it broke...what I found is that if I give a value of Zero to the Rough Opening Extra Horizontal (which, incidentally, I don't really understand the meaning of either), I start getting the error message. I DON'T know what that is though. Anyone?

Re: Group Operation Error ???

Aussie John — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:41:04 GMT

kSchnieder wrote:
-- This was strange - I tried reloading libraries, merging to new template, etc. to no avail. The problem persisted on all types of windows. So I tried just COPYing external wall, internal walls and other parts, all seperately to a new template so I would not have to re-draw the floor plan. There must have been something in the drawing that got corrupted that did not COPY over because now it works ????

copy paste will often "fix" a corrupted element even in the same file

Re: Group Operation Error ???

Anonymous — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:03:13 GMT

do these elements just sort of corrupt on their own?
I just replaced all the windows in this little house I am working on...maybe 20, or so, not a lot, but after each window swap (old and complaining for new and bright) I would look at the facade to check for errors. nothing...I went all the way around the house, one wall at a time, and everything looked good. then when I got BACK TO THE WALL I BEGAN with, I started getting error messages..! just 2 so far, but my max is a whopping 46! I want this to NOT happen, but I can't seem to find any, single variable that needs to be tweaked just So to make it happy. Maybe chocolates would work.

Re: Group Operation Error ???

Laszlo Nagy — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:03:24 GMT

Zobi wrote:
do these elements just sort of corrupt on their own?
I just replaced all the windows in this little house I am working on...maybe 20, or so, not a lot, but after each window swap (old and complaining for new and bright) I would look at the facade to check for errors. nothing...I went all the way around the house, one wall at a time, and everything looked good. then when I got BACK TO THE WALL I BEGAN with, I started getting error messages..! just 2 so far, but my max is a whopping 46! I want this to NOT happen, but I can't seem to find any, single variable that needs to be tweaked just So to make it happy. Maybe chocolates would work.

Zobi,
Do you get these error messages, plus your 3D model is wrong?
Or you just get these error messages, but your 3D Model is correct?

Because in the latter case, you can just uncheck the 'Interrupt with Error messages' checkbox in Work Environment and get rid of the whole annoying phenomenon.

Re: Group Operation Error ???

Anonymous — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:37:15 GMT

Laszlo,
The error messages ONLY crop up in section/ elevation; I get NO error messages for the model. However, I don't know if this means that my model is "incorrect" but I just don't get any messages for it, or if the error messages for the S/E are themselves in error...in any case, I have unckecked the box, THANK YOU! but I can't help this nagging, restless feeling that I am just being an ostrich about it. I'd like to solve the problem, but don't know that I--or anyone--can.
Z

Re: Group Operation Error ???

Anonymous — Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:15:17 GMT

Does anyone know what I have done wrong so these errors are coming up when I do building section or 3D view.
ArchiCAD 9 with AC9 SE Library.

Could it be window Error

Polygon is degenerated.
at line 33 of file wa_frame_us_sp_10 SE9.gsm

and

Polygon is degenerated.
at line 81 of file US Frame 81 SE9.gsm

Thank you

Re: Group Operation Error ???

Djordje — Sat, 24 Dec 2005 03:09:30 GMT

dmoraca wrote:
Does anyone know what I have done wrong so these errors are coming up when I do building section or 3D view.
ArchiCAD 9 with AC9 SE Library.

Could it be window Error

Most probably.

Check the window parameters ...

Re: Group Operation Error ???

Anonymous — Wed, 04 Jan 2006 02:13:31 GMT

K,
I am also having these error messages pop up w/the new SE libraray.
What I've found is if I play around with the sill placement method I can get the errors to stop.

Hope this helps.

N.