topic Re: Wall Accessories - Mouldings & Panels in Modeling

Wall Accessories - Mouldings & Panels

Anonymous — Thu, 19 May 2005 00:23:05 GMT

I am using the Wall Accessories - Mouldings & Panels to model a wall with two different siding treatments. The Wall is specified as a Cedar Shingle and the Wall Accessory is a Base Board with a 8'-1" Height and a Material of Horizontal Siding. All is well except for the ends of the wall. The Molding or panel adds an extra little piece at each end.

Re: Wall Accessories - Mouldings & Panels

__archiben — Thu, 19 May 2005 01:33:21 GMT

looks like something to do with where your wall intersections lie. the accessory is trying to 'complete' the full length of the wall, but is being cut by the intersection of the other???

just a guess i'm afraid . . .

~/archiben

Re: Wall Accessories - Mouldings & Panels

Ben Odonnell — Thu, 19 May 2005 08:48:28 GMT

Jay,
Is it possible that you have carried out a SOE on your walls and the roof?
If so you may need to do some fine tuning of your model to get it to work correctly.
Like ben I'm just guessing here.
Cheers.
Ben

Re: Wall Accessories - Mouldings & Panels

Anonymous — Thu, 19 May 2005 10:49:05 GMT

I had a similar problem when trying to use the wall accessories to place base along selected walls. I never got the problem worked out; just ended up leaving off the base for the model views.

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=30731&highlight=base+extends+past+wall#30731

Re: Wall Accessories - Mouldings & Panels

Anonymous — Thu, 19 May 2005 13:33:41 GMT

I noticed too this behaviour on 8.1. I thought it was corrected on 9.
It seems that the guilty is the top cornice. See attached image.
I did not check for the slab tool accessory.

Re: Wall Accessories - Mouldings & Panels

Anonymous — Thu, 19 May 2005 20:23:41 GMT

Thanks Millard for Confirming the "bug". I quess GS is still silent on this.....

Thanks Olivier for the great explaination of the "bug".

Re: Wall Accessories - Mouldings & Panels

Anonymous — Fri, 20 May 2005 20:49:47 GMT

The "Bug" while may be hidden in the code can be easily bypassed for the common user fairly easily. The extra wall section that appears on certain profiles shows up due to a wall cutting body width that is not big enough to cut out the full overhang of the molding object. I ran into this problem while creating our siding accessory object (Horizontal, Vertical & Log Siding) An easy way to fix this is to increase the cutting width value in the "molding profile height" matrix named mprht. attached is a series of pictures that will tell you what is needed to be done in order to fix this bug.

-- Matthew Peychich

Re: Wall Accessories - Mouldings & Panels

Anonymous — Sat, 21 May 2005 00:00:51 GMT

This sounded Promising......... I must be a little bit under the "common user"

I am using the material number 1 for my "Base" / Siding. I changed the value in the third column from 1/2" to 3". Was this not enough...?

The Screen shot shows the extended portion still...

Re: Wall Accessories - Mouldings & Panels

Anonymous — Sat, 21 May 2005 00:33:51 GMT

If you have ANY profile set on that has this error, it applies it to all of the molding ends. even if your base molding is set and you have changed its 3rd column setting, if the chair or crown is bugged, it will bug the entire object. i would try to remove the crown, and chair or go into the array like i described but from the objects param list. this way any changes are "tested" and not permanent. once you have three clean profiles you should have a nice clean object.

Re: Wall Accessories - Mouldings & Panels

LiHigh — Sat, 21 May 2005 02:53:07 GMT

The Problem lies in the "Cutting Body".......

To rectify the bug, open the obj. in Lib Parts editor, go to 3D Scripts and look for script under "Cutting Bodies", increase the values of Reference Thickness by 0.5 (enough to cut out the remainding portions):

!!----------------!!!----------------!!!----------------!!
!! Cutting Bodies !!! Cutting Bodies !!! Cutting Bodies !!
!!----------------!!!----------------!!!----------------!!

group "cutting body"
dim cut_set[5]
cut_set[1]=0 ! Lower Cut
cut_set[2]=0 ! Upper Cut
cut_set[3]=1 ! End Cuts
cut_set[4]=1 ! Window/Door
cut_set[5]=1 ! Conecting Walls

call "Wall Cutting Body" parameters ref_thickness=ref_thickness+0.5, gs_mat=gs_mat, cut_set=cut_set,
ac_accessory_debug=ac_accessory_debug, gs_gdl_debug=gs_gdl_debug,
ac_wall_height=ac_wall_height, ac_wall_radius=ac_wall_radius, ac_wall_length=ac_wall_length,
ac_wall_resol=ac_wall_resol, ac_refside=ac_refside, ac_angles=ac_angles, ac_side_poly=ac_side_poly,
ac_top_poly=ac_top_poly, ac_bot_poly=ac_bot_poly,
ac_wd_poly=ac_wd_poly, ac_curved_wall=ac_curved_wall, ac_cont_pen=ac_cont_pen,
bot_ext=bot_ext, top_ext=top_ext
endgroup
!-----------------------------------------------------

Save the object and you are ready to rock!

Re: Wall Accessories - Mouldings & Panels

Anonymous — Sat, 21 May 2005 04:19:30 GMT

making this change in the Macro itself does exactly what adding the size to the third martix value. with this fix you do guarantee a fix by changing the reference by either 6" or by 0.5 meters. The third value is simply the local index for the individual reference thicknesses per profile. good job with the macro call edit!

-- Matthew Peychich

Re: Wall Accessories - Mouldings & Panels

Anonymous — Sat, 21 May 2005 08:04:31 GMT

Thanks to both.
LiHigh, your fix is very quick. Great tip.

There is another small problem with cut angles for wainscot and wallpanel.
I can't find which params are involved. By any chance, did one of you solve this one too?
Thanks anyway.

Re: Wall Accessories - Mouldings & Panels

Anonymous — Sat, 21 May 2005 16:23:41 GMT

Bingo! This is for curved walls.

1 - The wainscot does not start at the good level.

2 - Base, chair and crown are not correct in rendering.
In the macro "Profile Revolver", some status code should be 2 instead of 0.

2 - Empty base results in an alert, and can not be done.

3 - Wall accessory resolution is the same as wall resolution, ok, but the origin should coincide with the wall origin
and the accessory should follow the construction method of the curved wall :
Always start with a half straight segment, and finish with another straight one (not automatically half),
the only way to have a clean junction and a smooth rendering between straight and curved parts.
Difficult, i agree, but doable. This should be the most important, for me.

Because of this lack, one can not use a single chair or crown, without wainscot or wallpanel (lines don't show). It is a pity.

Re: Wall Accessories - Mouldings & Panels

Anonymous — Sat, 21 May 2005 16:25:17 GMT

To stay in the same topic, this old one is for inclined wall accessory.

With some wallholes or wallniches, status code for edge visibility is not correct.
Result : edge lines don't show (Left) and rendering is bad (Right)

It has something to do with the macro "Wall Cutting Body", but i can not fix it, this is a job for programers.
Please GS, can you fix it?

Re: Wall Accessories - Mouldings & Panels

Anonymous — Sat, 21 May 2005 17:09:07 GMT

LiHigh

To which object is your patch applied?

Mike

Re: Wall Accessories - Mouldings & Panels

LiHigh — Sat, 21 May 2005 17:36:59 GMT

MikeS wrote:
LiHigh

To which object is your patch applied?

Mike

Mike,

Goto FILE\GDL OBJECT\OPEN OBJECT BY SUBTYPE...

Model Element\Building Element\Covering\Accessory\Wall(Accessory)\Moldings and Panels

Re: Wall Accessories - Mouldings & Panels

Anonymous — Sat, 21 May 2005 19:24:48 GMT

MikeS wrote:
LiHigh

To which object is your patch applied?

Mike

For users who don't know.
Highlight the part name, or type it anywhere into a GDL script and highlight it (but delete it after or type a ! before),
for eg "My part name" (only the text part).
Apply your shortcut for opening a library part (Cmd+< on Mac) and you have a direct access to the part, anywhere it is.
Win users will tell you the right shortcut, sorry i don't remember.

LiHigh, for me, your tip is the month's winner. If i could, i would give you a GS mug. .
Cheers

Re: Wall Accessories - Mouldings & Panels

Anonymous — Sun, 22 May 2005 10:09:56 GMT

I found the part, but because I am reading from the .pla file. Ehen I have mdified the GDL script, I am then asked where I want to save the modified file separately. We have strict policy NOT to modify the .pla file, so how do I proceed with that constraint?

Re: Wall Accessories - Mouldings & Panels

James Murray — Sun, 22 May 2005 11:48:20 GMT

MikeS wrote:
We have strict policy NOT to modify the .pla file, so how do I proceed with that constraint?

You need to Save As with a modified name, into a folder you then load as a library.

Re: Wall Accessories - Mouldings & Panels

LiHigh — Sun, 22 May 2005 16:15:55 GMT

Olivier wrote:
LiHigh, for me, your tip is the month's winner. If i could, i would give you a GS mug. .
Cheers

thanx!
BTW, this is not a tips but a bug fixed!
I'll just let GS fix the other bugs.....