topic Re: Custom Profiles and Wall Intersections in 3D in Modeling

Custom Profiles and Wall Intersections in 3D

TomWaltz — Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:06:38 GMT

Anyone else seen a problem like this?

These are walls drawn with a custom profile. Each skin is set to a different priority and "Enable Skin Priorities" is turned on.

The plan looks correct.

Why do the corners not clean up properly?

(those are 3 different corner screen shots composited into 1 image)

Re: Custom Profiles and Wall Intersections in 3D

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Jun 2006 04:55:03 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
Anyone else seen a problem like this?

These are walls drawn with a custom profile. Each skin is set to a different priority and "Enable Skin Priorities" is turned on.

The plan looks correct.

Why do the corners not clean up properly?

(those are 3 different corner screen shots composited into 1 image)

Tom,
This is kinda' scary for those of us waiting/ready to upgrade to V10. I'm aware that Beta testing was fairly thorough and am concerned that this didn't show up. Please let us all know how/when you resolve the issue.

Thanks,
Dan K

Re: Custom Profiles and Wall Intersections in 3D

__archiben — Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:18:59 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
Anyone else seen a problem like this?

ouch mate!

any change if you alter the intersection angle to anything other than 90º? not particularly helpful, but just wondering . . .

~/archiben

Re: Custom Profiles and Wall Intersections in 3D

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:40:52 GMT

Have you played with reference line locations to see if that makes any difference?

Re: Custom Profiles and Wall Intersections in 3D

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:58:58 GMT

I am trying hard to replicate that condition on my end and am not able to (custom profile or AC profile)...

Are both walls using the exact same profile? They sure look that way.

Can you make it happen every time?

Oh, and by the way, do your AC10 Library doors and windows work in that profile?

Re: Custom Profiles and Wall Intersections in 3D

TomWaltz — Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:26:08 GMT

Intersection angle had no effect.
Reference lines moved all over, no effect.
They are the same profiles.
Tried the same thing with skin priorities on and off, with no effect.
It is 100% reproducible with every custom profile we have tried, including those from GS. We have not had one profiled wall clean up in 3D yet.

Re: Custom Profiles and Wall Intersections in 3D

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:46:42 GMT

Hmm...

I have altered every setting I can think of and cannot get it to happen...

I have tried offsetting vertically, different wall offsets, different priorities, one priority on , one off. I can't replicate your problem...

I do have major problems w/ my doors and windows though...

Re: Custom Profiles and Wall Intersections in 3D

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:51:32 GMT

Tomwaltz,
I too am seeing this problem. I have a profiled log siding wall on a 2x6 wall and when they intersect on floor plan they look good. However in 3D and elevations the square ends of the inner 2x6 protrude through the outer half-round stacked logs. This isn't really a big concern to me because I use corners to cover them but it is still there....hidden..

Re: Custom Profiles and Wall Intersections in 3D

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:34:25 GMT

Tom

Both you and Demetious are having the same problems...both of you are on mac....

g.h.design...ur on windows...right...could this be only happening in mac....

Re: Custom Profiles and Wall Intersections in 3D

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:58:18 GMT

r wrote:
Tom

...could this be only happening in mac....

...Not a mac issue. My complex walls clean up perfectly and windows/doors appear correctly. Each edge has a custom material setting. I modified a profile by moving the fills to locate the origin on the other side of the wall (since the origin determines the reference line), changed some custom edge settings, and turned off clean wall intersections; the walls still intersect cleanly in 3D & elevation.

This is a feature I am becoming addicted to and was worried, so I had to test it. Thankfully, I couldn't make it fail.

Re: Custom Profiles and Wall Intersections in 3D

Link — Wed, 21 Jun 2006 00:24:18 GMT

Intersection angle had no effect.
Reference lines moved all over, no effect.
They are the same profiles.
Tried the same thing with skin priorities on and off, with no effect.
It is 100% reproducible with every custom profile we have tried, including those from GS. We have not had one profiled wall clean up in 3D yet.

Tom,

Would you be willing to upload the walls as a module file? Maybe it's a version problem? I'm running INT 817 at the moment without any wall healing problems. Either way maybe we could get to the bottom of it.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Custom Profiles and Wall Intersections in 3D

Anonymous — Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:48:52 GMT

My wall clean up as well but I am seeing the issue with window placement. This is seeming like a bit of a mystery. Not the type of mysteries you like to be a part of....

Re: Custom Profiles and Wall Intersections in 3D

TomWaltz — Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:07:00 GMT

Here you are, Link.

Good luck! I'm about out of ideas.

Re: Custom Profiles and Wall Intersections in 3D

Anonymous — Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:10:37 GMT

Yeah, now I can replicate your problem.

Funny thing is though I pasted your walls into another drawing of mine and they still behaved badly. But when I used any of my other profiles they worked fine. If I make a profile the same as your, it works fine.

Maybe it does have something to do with where the original profile was written (o.s.)...

I cannot make it happen as hard as I might try on mine but your profile behaves badly...

I can't find a setting that may be the culprit.

Dunno.

Re: Custom Profiles and Wall Intersections in 3D

Eduardo Rolon — Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:13:38 GMT

Found the possible problem:
In your custom profile the fills nodes have mistakes. There are overlaping fills, extra nodes and holes between fills. I captured your profile and fixed the fills and it is now cleaning up correctly.

Re: Custom Profiles and Wall Intersections in 3D

Eduardo Rolon — Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:19:15 GMT

Here's the revised pln file. Now working on the window and door problem

Re: Custom Profiles and Wall Intersections in 3D

TomWaltz — Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:23:46 GMT

ejrolon wrote:
Found the possible problem:
In your custom profile the fills nodes have mistakes. There are overlaping fills, extra nodes and holes between fills. I captured your profile and fixed the fills and it is now cleaning up correctly.

What's really funny is that wall was part of the template from Graphisoft.... Still, I would have expected the profile engine to be a little more robust!

Re: Custom Profiles and Wall Intersections in 3D

Eduardo Rolon — Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:48:19 GMT

Doors and Windows are behaving correctly. I had to do a merge of your file because I was getting errors on a wa_trim_us10.gsm everytime I inserted a window. I have no idea what it is. After the merge it worked fine.

note
Never trust anything that you have not drawn yourself

Re: Custom Profiles and Wall Intersections in 3D

Anonymous — Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:03:14 GMT

ejrolon wrote:
Doors and Windows are behaving correctly. I had to do a merge of your file because I was getting errors on a wa_trim_us10.gsm everytime I inserted a window. I have no idea what it is. After the merge it worked fine.

note
Never trust anything that you have not drawn yourself

Nor enter a building that you did not build with your own hands.

Re: Custom Profiles and Wall Intersections in 3D

Link — Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:29:12 GMT

Here you are, Link.

Good luck! I'm about out of ideas.

I can only confirm that Eduardo is right, it's a dodgey fill in the FNDN Conc. 12" w/Brick Ledge complex profile.

Good find mate.

Cheers,
Link.