topic Re: shadows from elements above cutting plane? in Modeling

shadows from elements above cutting plane?

Anonymous — Tue, 23 May 2023 13:26:07 GMT

Hi,

New to archicad and I would like to render a sun study of a floor plan. I have been using the 3D Cutting Plane to clip the roof from the building to get a look inside from above. Unfortunately this means that the shadows in the PhotoRender Projection are cast as if the building has an open top. The intention of the sun study is to see the penetration of sunlight given the roof overhangs, in a plan view.

See image - the roof is above the cut plane but doesn't cast a shadow

Thanks for any suggestions...

Re: shadows from elements above cutting plane?

Anonymous — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:11:42 GMT

I ran into the same problem last year when I was trying to determine the best eave dimension for sun shading. I was unable to get a cutaway plan to work but found that I could use 3D views as elevations.

In the 3D window go to the View Menu/3D View Mode/3D Projection Settings… If the window says Perspective Settings click the Parallel Projections button then click the house button (Isometric Axonometry by default) and choose Side View.

(alternately you can use the 3D Visulization Toolbar choose Axonometry then Look to Perpendicular and click on the face to study)

Make sure transparency is turned off in the view.

You can then run a Sun Study on the elevation. It doesn't tell you where the sun falls on the floor inside but you can look at the shading you are getting on your glazing.

It's not a very effective tool for client visualition, but it gives you a good sense of the system performance.

Please post back if you find a way to get the cutaway to show what you want. It would be extremely useful.

Re: shadows from elements above cutting plane?

Anonymous — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:49:14 GMT

Thanks for your response, I'll keep looking.

Tony

Re: shadows from elements above cutting plane?

owen — Mon, 25 Sep 2006 03:50:39 GMT

Yes we should have the ability to generate shadows off the full model prior to removing the elements we don't want purely for visualisation purposes. Useful for all sorts of views i would think.

Surprised no-one has wished for this before .. cast your vote here

Re: shadows from elements above cutting plane?

Anonymous — Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:55:45 GMT

dunno how to get that in ac.
this may not be direct answer to your question, but if stepping up in rendering engines, next step- artlantis- gives such possibility.

Re: shadows from elements above cutting plane?

Erika Epstein — Tue, 26 Sep 2006 04:20:38 GMT

Another technique similar to Alex' is to cast shadows in a section through the building using either the section/elevation tool or the marquee.

When using the marquee, you can rotate the model to see more of how the exterior light penetrates the building. Still not the full birds-eye view though.

No comments about the house, just a test file for AC 10.

Re: shadows from elements above cutting plane?

owen — Tue, 26 Sep 2006 04:53:50 GMT

That image perfectly illustrates what we are getting at - i.e the incorrect shadow being cast by the cut wall onto the floor. In reality that shadow would not exist. We want the ability for shadows to be cast by an uncut model and then cut the elements away to see the resultant shadows internally.

Re: shadows from elements above cutting plane?

Erika Epstein — Tue, 26 Sep 2006 05:13:54 GMT

I understand that Owen, I was just trying to demonstrate [another] workaround that addresses what you are trying to show your clients.
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Re: shadows from elements above cutting plane?

owen — Tue, 26 Sep 2006 05:38:44 GMT

Sorry i guess that came out the wrong way - no implication intended that you had misunderstood the problem

Re: shadows from elements above cutting plane?

Erika Epstein — Tue, 26 Sep 2006 06:10:56 GMT

Not a problem,
Why don't you post a wish?

Re: shadows from elements above cutting plane?

owen — Tue, 26 Sep 2006 06:15:15 GMT

But i have!

owen wrote:
Surprised no-one has wished for this before .. cast your vote here