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Graphisoft's most obfuscatory press release?

Richard Morrison — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:38:39 GMT

After scratching my head, I could only laugh. http://www.graphisoft.com/company/press_zone/tno_in_ac.html

Can anyone translate this into something understandable?

Re: Graphisoft's most obfuscatory press release?

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:59:54 GMT

I'm with you, Richard! Sheesh. I went to the TNO website and found the entire site to be obfuscatory and no mention of this 'new' technology other than a duplicate of the press release. So why bother issuing a press release that says nothing?

Karl

Re: Graphisoft's most obfuscatory press release?

Thomas Holm — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:53:51 GMT

Richard wrote:
After scratching my head, I could only laugh. http://www.graphisoft.com/company/press_zone/tno_in_ac.html

Can anyone translate this into something understandable?

I can! currently being implemented means not in the current release

I guess we'll see something in AC12. I don't think they's issue a press release for vaporware that's any further on than that.

Oh... What it is?? Well, I guess "the consequences of changes to the building model can be directly processed by computer" means it has something to do with change tracking...

Re: Graphisoft's most obfuscatory press release?

Eduardo Rolon — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:57:27 GMT

Karl wrote:
I'm with you, Richard! Sheesh. I went to the TNO website and found the entire site to be obfuscatory and no mention of this 'new' technology other than a duplicate of the press release. So why bother issuing a press release that says nothing?

Karl

I think that's the point of a press release
Though I have no idea what they are talking about.

On related news; "GS upgrades the WIBU dongle so that you can plug it in your ear and with its proprietary technology it will read the ontological thoughts as they pertain to the current design project…"

Re: Graphisoft's most obfuscatory press release?

Anonymous — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:14:16 GMT

Here is a link to an equally confusing 4Mb pdf powerpoint presentation on their site regarding BIM and PMO.

http://www.tno.nl/downloads%5CBIMatTNO.pdf

I think it would probably make more sense with the original commentary.

After quickly scanning thru it, as far as I can tell Project Modelling Ontology seems to be some kind of 'super' IFC thing where all information in a building model is linked together and connected. How it works, I don't know. Why I would need it, I don't know either.

Sadly, I lost the will to live after it starts to mention OWLS, SWOPS and GARMS in the same sentence and had to lie down for 10 mins in a darkened room. I never thought you could have so many ridiculous acronyms outside of the space industry!

Personally I'm glad to see they are focusing their limited resources on such important work. There's no point in them wasting time on frivolous tasks like developing a usable stair tool in ArchiCAD for example.

Re: Graphisoft's most obfuscatory press release?

Djordje — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:16:10 GMT

Peter wrote:
Personally I'm glad to see they are focusing their limited resources on such important work. There's no point in them wasting time on frivolous tasks like developing a usable stair tool in ArchiCAD for example.

You forgot Worksheet!

Re: Graphisoft's most obfuscatory press release?

Anonymous — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:02:20 GMT

Djordje wrote:
Peter wrote:
Personally I'm glad to see they are focusing their limited resources on such important work. There's no point in them wasting time on frivolous tasks like developing a usable stair tool in ArchiCAD for example.
You forgot Worksheet!

HEY! I have been using Worksheets intensely and love them. I know I could use Details for the same purpose but then all my reference files would be mixed into the details and I don't like constantly navigating long lists. Besides, how much development time could it have taken to modify the Navigator hierarchy to add another type of "Detail". They were already bifurcating the Section tool and adding the IE tool anyway. I bet the most time went into designing the new icons. 😉

I wouldn't make too much of the press release. It could be leading to something big but it seems premature to make any fuss about it. In any case I don't think there is any need to worry about GS diverting precious resources. I would guess that it's just coming along for the ride with stuff that GS is doing anyway.

I also would not expect to see anything related to this in AC12 (maybe 13). From what little I know of software development schedules I would guess that AC12 must be getting feature locked soon to go into alpha/beta testing. This thing looks too vague and probably too far in the future to have made the cut for 12.

Re: Graphisoft's most obfuscatory press release?

__archiben — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:59:48 GMT

i couldn't help but laugh. i'm just hoping that it makes some sense to somebody.

another example of the genius behind graphisoft's marketing no doubt.

~/ben

Re: Graphisoft's most obfuscatory press release?

Anonymous — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:47:46 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
i couldn't help but laugh. i'm just hoping that it makes some sense to somebody.

Actually it does. At least if it is what I think it is.

another example of the genius behind graphisoft's marketing no doubt.

The marketing value of the press release does seem dubious. Especially when hardly anyone can understand it.

Re: Graphisoft's most obfuscatory press release?

__archiben — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:28:12 GMT

Matthew wrote:
Actually it does. At least if it is what I think it is.

i could wax lyrical about what i hope it means. manufacturer data + semantic web services = BIMBIGTIME. but where the hell that press release is going is anyone's guess . . .

ben

Re: Graphisoft's most obfuscatory press release?

Thomas Holm — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:24:38 GMT

Matthew wrote:
Actually it does. At least if it is what I think it is.

OK Matthew. please explain:

Schema’s, Ontologies, Object Libraries, BIM like
• IFC2x3Final
• SWOP PMO
• COINS BIM (C-BIM)
• ISO DIS 12006-3
• IFD, BARBi, LexiCon, CROW-OB, ETIM
• STEP Aps, STEPlib
• VISI Berichten
• DigitaleHuis/DigitaleDakkapel model

Re: Graphisoft's most obfuscatory press release?

Anonymous — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:59:06 GMT

Schema’s, Ontologies, Object Libraries, BIM like
• IFC2x3Final

-Final version of IFC 2x3 (do I have to explain IFC? Hope not.)

• SWOP PMO
• COINS BIM (C-BIM)
• ISO DIS 12006-3
• IFD, BARBi, LexiCon, CROW-OB, ETIM
• STEP Aps, STEPlib

STEP is quite popular in Steel detailers land. I use Steel models from Steel detailers all the time. Right now I convert them to IFC, but I would appreciate direct support of STEP files.

• VISI Berichten
• DigitaleHuis/DigitaleDakkapel model

I don't know the rest but it looks like a big plan to finally establish proper interoperability in our industry. Support of DWG is not enough today. In residential architecture it is not obvious but when you are building a hospital it is a big deal.

Re: Graphisoft's most obfuscatory press release?

Anonymous — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:45:14 GMT

Thomas wrote:
OK Matthew. please explain...

Miki seems to have covered the basics. I really can't say any more.

Re: Graphisoft's most obfuscatory press release?

Thomas Holm — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:06:12 GMT

Matthew wrote:
Thomas wrote:
OK Matthew. please explain...
Miki seems to have covered the basics. I really can't say any more.

OK Sorry I wasn't clear - the absurd roundup of abbreviations from their PowerPoint "presentation" wasn't the point, really

What I want you to explain is what you think it is:

Matthew wrote:
Actually it does. At least if it is what I think it is.

Re: Graphisoft's most obfuscatory press release?

Anonymous — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:55:52 GMT

Thomas wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Thomas wrote:
OK Matthew. please explain...
Miki seems to have covered the basics. I really can't say any more.
OK Sorry I wasn't clear - the absurd roundup of abbreviations from their PowerPoint "presentation" wasn't the point, really

What I want you to explain is what you think it is:
Matthew wrote:
Actually it does. At least if it is what I think it is.

I think (hope?) it will be something really good 😉

Re: Graphisoft's most obfuscatory press release?

Thomas Holm — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:20:39 GMT

Not nice, Matthew, not nice!

Re: Graphisoft's most obfuscatory press release?

Anonymous — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:36:39 GMT

Thomas wrote:
Not nice, Matthew, not nice!

Sorry, but that's the Department of Homeland Security for you.

Re: Graphisoft's most obfuscatory press release?

Gerald Hoffman — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:58:57 GMT

Thomas,

That is why is can only show half his face.

Re: Graphisoft's most obfuscatory press release?

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:07:01 GMT

Gerald wrote:
Thomas,

That is why is can only show half his face.

Assuming it is actually my face and that I am not just a computer simulation.

(Have I passed the Turing test yet?)

Re: Graphisoft's most obfuscatory press release?

stefan — Tue, 13 May 2008 10:36:29 GMT

Schema’s, Ontologies, Object Libraries, BIM like

Want to understand what Ontology/Taxonomy/Classification is?
http://www.ontopia.net/topicmaps/materials/tm-vs-thesauri.html
It might actually be very useful to describe building information in a structured way, not depending on certain implementations.
It's about structured information and it is very valid in the building sector. IFC might be a part inside this, but this goes much further: searching through information, structuring building information.

Don't see it as an "ArchiCAD feature" though...

Read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web
Semantic Web = structured information, adhering to classification systems. The text gives this nice example:

Non-semantic web (web 1.0 and 2.0):
<item>cat</item>

Semantic web (web 3.0):
<animal Kingdom="Animalia" Phylum="Chordata" Class="Mammalia" Order="Carnivora" Family="Felidae" Genus="Felis">Cat</animal>

IFC2x3Final

You might know what IFC is.

SWOP PMO

http://www.swop-project.eu/
Semantic Web-based Open Engineering Platform.

COINS BIM (C-BIM)

http://www.coinsweb.nl/
English presentation:
http://www.coinsweb.nl/downloads/Introductie-engels.pdf

Actually under the umbrella of buildingSMART and IAI.

ISO DIS 12006-3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_12006
ISO 12006 "Building construction" is an international standard for organizing information about construction works.

IFD, BARBi, LexiCon, CROW-OB, ETIM

IFD = Industrial, Flexible and Deconstructable Building.
http://www.ifd.nl
Industrial building = prefabricated, serial production, short building time
Flexible = design freedom, permanent or temporary, movable, adaptable
Deconstructable = reusable, not demolishing, but rather disassembling
This is a research platform, combining academic research and industry partners.

STEP Aps, STEPlib

STEP = standard for exchange of product model data, from which IFC originates (and uses concepts, such as EXPRESS modeling language).

VISI Berichten
DigitaleHuis/DigitaleDakkapel model

DigitaleHuis = digital home
DigitaleDakkapel = digital dormer

http://www.digitaledakkapel.com/DDD_Introductie.aspx
= system for online building permits for dormers in Netherlands (can be useful for home-owners

A few minutes searching can get you pretty far. Understanding Dutch might help as well. And working in Academics sometimes has its advantages.