topic Re: SEO operations not showing correctly in floor plan...... in Modeling

SEO operations not showing correctly in floor plan.......

Anonymous — Thu, 25 May 2023 14:36:19 GMT

When I use a SEO operation to shape a wall, or slab, it shows up perfectly in section, elevation, and 3d, but not in plan. Is this the same for everyone or am I missing something along the way.

For instance, I create a series of walls enlosed in the shape of a rectangle. Now, using the ellipse library part, and the SEO operations, I take a "chunk" out of one of the corner intersections. In 3d, section, and elevation, everything is perfect. However, in plan it does not show. Even when I change my cut plane to be right in the middle of the the change.

Re: SEO operations not showing correctly in floor plan......

Anonymous — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:01:00 GMT

goose724 wrote:
When I use a SEO operation to shape a wall, or slab, it shows up perfectly in section, elevation, and 3d, but not in plan....

SEOs have never reflected properly in plan view...a long standing wish.
Dan k

Re: SEO operations not showing correctly in floor plan......

Anonymous — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:10:51 GMT

why would it show fine in section, elevation, and 3d and not in plan? It makes zero sense. Why allow the operation, if you can not properly show in all 4 manners?

Re: SEO operations not showing correctly in floor plan......

TomWaltz — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:45:22 GMT

Because section, elevation, and 3D are all true views of the model. The plan is not.

It's still annoying, since the SEOs would really be a lot more valuable if they could show up properly in plan!

Re: SEO operations not showing correctly in floor plan......

SeaGeoff — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:08:00 GMT

I hope some one from Graphisoft is reading your posts goose (I presume you have anther name). Too many of us have just learned to accept the incomplete implementation of new features that unfortunately has become the norm with Graphisoft. The dreaded 80% solution. It's one thing for a feature to be 80% when first introduced but another for it to stay that way year after year. SEO floor plan display falls squarely into that category.

A host of new features are currently in the 80% camp (and that's being generous) and are now at risk of joining SEOs on the growing list of unfinished business. One that is related to this is how roof trims and SEOs are not recognized by the new Floor Plan Cut Plane. So while a roof might show the cut, any raked walls below do not. Another is the lack of support for true curves in any of the elements that support the new complex profiles, as you note in another post.

The next release will tell whether Graphisoft is serious about tying up loose ends or just wants to be able to list features that appear to address the competition but don't actually perform in real use.

Re: SEO operations not showing correctly in floor plan......

Anonymous — Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:30:23 GMT

Geoff wrote:

A host of new features are currently in the 80% camp (and that's being generous)

A host of old features are in the "'80% camp" as well (and that's being generous)...What about the Listing /quantification functions as well as the wall framing functions.

Actually one could list quite a few items that have never been fully implemented.

Re: SEO operations not showing correctly in floor plan......

Anonymous — Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:59:48 GMT

Georff, the name is Rory.

Being complacent towards these shortcomings perhaps is the very reason why they remain. It is absolutely unexceptable to pay as much money as we do for these programs to encounter these, what seem to be small, problems. Especially with out any explanation or dialogue from the powers that be. Where is the real answer as to why you can not fully use tools.

The two examples I gave are rather normal. Why do the SEO operations not appear correct in plan view? Why can you only use profile walls, tilt walls, and double tilt walls for straight walls, and not curves? Why can you curve profile beams but not walls? The list could go on.

Has there ever been an official answer to these questions? I'm pretty sure our money affords us at least that.

Re: SEO operations not showing correctly in floor plan......

Rob — Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:57:00 GMT

Has there ever been an official answer to these questions?

mate, like we live in the fairyland. you are not going to get an official answer, instead you will get a patch that patches already patched feature and at the same time introduces another bug that will require a patch. That's how AC works these days.
The only improvement is that patches come scheduled and over the net - ta-daa - just good for a bus full of happy-clappers

Re: SEO operations not showing correctly in floor plan......

Anonymous — Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:52:48 GMT

goose724 wrote:
Why can you curve profile beams but not walls?

You can curve profiled beams????

Re: SEO operations not showing correctly in floor plan......

James Murray — Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:23:42 GMT

Matthew wrote:
You can curve profiled beams????

Or conventional beams?

Re: SEO operations not showing correctly in floor plan......

SeaGeoff — Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:34:34 GMT

Rory wrote:
Being complacent towards these shortcomings perhaps is the very reason why they remain...

Rory, my friend, if you knew what has gone on behind the scenes you would not call me, or any of the frequent contributors to this list, complacent. We have all participated in multiple beta tests and much more. But there is only so much we can do, and that's not really very much. Your complaints are valid and you're right, we deserve more for our loyalty and money. The reason we all put up with it is because ArchiCAD is the best solution available. When that is no longer the case I will switch.

Re: SEO operations not showing correctly in floor plan......

Djordje — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:56:59 GMT

James wrote:
Matthew wrote:
You can curve profiled beams????
Or conventional beams?

Magic wand does wonders sometimes ... 😉

Re: SEO operations not showing correctly in floor plan......

Anonymous — Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:08:18 GMT

Geoff, I was refering to the complacency of Graphisoft, not any posters on this site. I personally know and work for beta testers as well, and I know some of what goes on behind the scenes, hence the frustration. If this has been brought to their attention numerous times, and yet nothing is done about it, in my opinion, they are being complacent because they know we will find a "work around" solution.

If you took my comments as deragatory towards you, that was not my intention.

as for this comment:

You can curve profiled beams????

yes you can, just use the magic wand on the curve you want, and poof, there it is. Now try that same profile with the wall tool and magic wand the same curve, and see what happens !

Re: SEO operations not showing correctly in floor plan......

Anonymous — Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:48:56 GMT

Djordje wrote:
James wrote:
Matthew wrote:
You can curve profiled beams????
Or conventional beams?
Magic wand does wonders sometimes ... 😉

I prefer facets on gemstones, but you sometimes you take what you can get.

Or is this some undocumented upgrade that we haven't heard of?

Re: SEO operations not showing correctly in floor plan......

__archiben — Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:32:28 GMT

Matthew wrote:
Or is this some undocumented upgrade that we haven't heard of?

beams still cannot be curved - the magic wand is just automating the task of faceting a lot of straight beams all at once . . . a touch of lateral thinking rather than an undocumented upgrade i think!

~/archiben