topic Re: AC10 No longer biased toward selected item? in Modeling

AC10 No longer biased toward selected item?

Brad Elliott — Tue, 23 May 2023 15:15:58 GMT

I'm trying to get productive in AC10. I still can't believe they removed all the key commands for the tools. So now I get to put them back.

Anyway, One of the good things in 8 & 9 was that when you had an object selected it was the default item to be grabbed when you went to manipulate the object. Such as my slab that is aligned under my exterior wall. Now I'm having an extremely difficult time selecting the slab without it defaulting to and selecting the wall above. Is anyone else having this problem?

Re: AC10 No longer biased toward selected item?

Anonymous — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:18:07 GMT

Just hit the tab key to filter through multiple objects.

Re: AC10 No longer biased toward selected item?

Brad Elliott — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:31:46 GMT

Wrong process. I have a wall stacked on a slab. I have the slab selected and want to extend the edge. When I click to extend the edge of the slab the wall becomes selected. I can not tab out of that selection because i am attempting to perform an action. This method reminds me of the problems I had in 6.5 with its bias to objects above. In 8 & 9 if you had the object selected and went to perform an action it would bias toward acting on the selected object. Now every time I go to extend the slab it deselects and selects the wall. Not a helpful behavior.

Re: AC10 No longer biased toward selected item?

Anonymous — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 00:42:16 GMT

Brad, While I have only been using Archicad for about one year, when I perform the process you describe, as long as I select the slab under a wall and then hover over the edge (which is shared with the wall) and pause til I get a mercedes curser, I have no problem moving the edge or performing any other available operation.

Re: AC10 No longer biased toward selected item?

Link — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 00:44:25 GMT

I can't replicate this problem.

Can you confirm that your slab is selected (before you extend the edge)by looking at the info box and checking that the Slab tool is active and it says 'All Selected: 1'?

I know it sounds basic, but it's just good to be sure it's not a simple error first. I suspect the new pre-selection highlight feature (and info tag) vs. actual selection may trick more than a few people.

IMHO what you describe goes against all AC logic, so I doubt this is even an obscure setting somewhere.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: AC10 No longer biased toward selected item?

TomWaltz — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:05:42 GMT

It also helps to have "Slab" as the active tool, not just a slab selected.

Re: AC10 No longer biased toward selected item?

Brad Elliott — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:45:39 GMT

Link & Tom,
This is exactly my point. In 9 I can have the slab selected and be in any tool, slab tool, arrow tool, heck even the wall tool or dimension tool and edit the slab. This is a huge productivity boost to not have to be in the tool. Now having said that after restarting the program this morning I am easily grabbing and editing slabs with no trouble at all. This is after spending all day yesterday being forced to have the slab tool selected and still having a hard time making adjustments. Apparently a restart of the program fixed the problem. Now that I think of it I was working directly in a file freshly converted from 9. I guess from now on I will restart if I have any problems after a conversion. Thanks for the help.

Off topic, Tom, how do you like Elements 4? I have been thinking of upgrading from 2.

Link wrote:
Can you confirm that your slab is selected (before you extend the edge)by looking at the info box and checking that the Slab tool is active and it says 'All Selected: 1'?

I know it sounds basic, but it's just good to be sure it's not a simple error first. I suspect the new pre-selection highlight feature (and info tag) vs. actual selection may trick more than a few people.

IMHO what you describe goes against all AC logic, so I doubt this is even an obscure setting somewhere.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: AC10 No longer biased toward selected item?

TomWaltz — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:55:15 GMT

Brad wrote:
Off topic, Tom, how do you like Elements 4? I have been thinking of upgrading from 2.

I'm not sure I can really compare since I only have only really used Elements 4 (and not even full Photoshop), but most of the reviews I see say that it's the closest to full Photoshop yet and has some features the full version does not.

Re: AC10 No longer biased toward selected item?

Djordje — Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:46:49 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
It also helps to have "Slab" as the active tool, not just a slab selected.

This is probably it; the described happens if you are in the Arrow tool.

Re: AC10 No longer biased toward selected item?

rengarch — Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:05:50 GMT

I was having the same frustrations for an hour. With multiple elements on top of each other, have the Quick Selection button depressed, hover over the center of the stacking objects. Tab to view which object you want and click to select it. As you hover over the each to extend it, check the tracker box to be sure that you are hovering over the edge of the element you want, if not, tab until you see (select), click once at the edge and the pet pallette should appear. It takes a while to get the hang of it.

Re: AC10 No longer biased toward selected item?

Anonymous — Sat, 24 Jun 2006 18:30:41 GMT

Djordje wrote:
TomWaltz wrote:
It also helps to have "Slab" as the active tool, not just a slab selected.
This is probably it; the described happens if you are in the Arrow tool.

This seem like a bug to me. Sometimes you can get the pet palette and sometimes it changes the selection. I have a sneaky unconfirmed suspicion that it relates to being selected with the magnet. The 3D window has some strange bugs related selection with the magnet tool.

Re: AC10 No longer biased toward selected item?

Djordje — Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:40:07 GMT

Mike wrote:
Djordje wrote:
TomWaltz wrote:
It also helps to have "Slab" as the active tool, not just a slab selected.
This is probably it; the described happens if you are in the Arrow tool.
This seem like a bug to me. Sometimes you can get the pet palette and sometimes it changes the selection. I have a sneaky unconfirmed suspicion that it relates to being selected with the magnet. The 3D window has some strange bugs related selection with the magnet tool.

Not really.

It depends on the active tool - make it a habit to Select and activate tool, and many problems will go away.

Re: AC10 No longer biased toward selected item?

Anonymous — Mon, 26 Jun 2006 04:47:40 GMT

Djordje wrote:
Not really.

It depends on the active tool - make it a habit to Select and activate tool, and many problems will go away.

The fact that the results are variable indicates a bug. If it works sometimes but not other this is not consistent. Most editing can be done in the arrow tool (or any other tool that you happen to be in) and this increased functionality was given to us several versions back and it should not act in this manner. There is always a way to do something, but ideally the task can be done in a number of different methods and the same result achieved. Select a slab via a node in the arrow tool and click on the edge of the slab (mercedes) and tell me why it brings up the pet palette when at other times it selects a wall at the same location.

Re: AC10 No longer biased toward selected item?

James Murray — Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:11:54 GMT

I can't give hard data on this, but it's much bumpier than in 9. I have never used Select and Activate Tool. My habit has always been to select something and Opt-click on it: Shift-click, Opt-click, very fast. This is no longer solid in 10. But I just tried to test it and couldn't find a pattern. It's not consistent.

Throughout the beta period this area was very erratic. Nodes wouldn't be favored, the active tool wouldn't be favored, ghost story elements favored over the current story, you name it. I'm frankly not surprised it hasn't settled down completely.

If anyone detects a pattern, do drop them a line.

Re: AC10 No longer biased toward selected item?

Dwight — Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:44:37 GMT

How many ways can you NOT say "bug?"

Re: AC10 No longer biased toward selected item?

Pete — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 04:18:05 GMT

How did I miss this thread? This behavior is what I was referring to in the other thread. Trying hard enough... tap, tap, tapping the Tab key... I can get the work done, but frustratingly slow! I'm afraid the pattern is that there is no pattern.

Similarly, I cannot seem to select a roof and then edit the pivot line. I'll start a new thread on that (after checking for an existing one).

Re: AC10 No longer biased toward selected item?

Anonymous — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 04:38:18 GMT

After tapping on the tab key to highlight the element are you then selecting the element with one click of the left mouse button before trying to edit? And, are you zoomed in close enough to make sure the mercedes curser is on the correct item? I have tried to duplicate the proposed bug described in this thread again with at least six elements stacked on each other and can't do it on my system. As long as I follow the sequence above, I get the pet pallette each time and with only the arrow tool activated. Maybe the problem is system specific.

Mark Hendricks

Re: AC10 No longer biased toward selected item?

Dwight — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 04:43:35 GMT

It requires patience to master since instead of selections in sequence, the TAB key gives you a sequence of POSSIBLE selections.... that you still must pick....

Re: AC10 No longer biased toward selected item?

Anonymous — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:19:05 GMT

Pete wrote:
How did I miss this thread? This behavior is what I was referring to in the other thread. Trying hard enough... tap, tap, tapping the Tab key... I can get the work done, but frustratingly slow! I'm afraid the pattern is that there is no pattern.

Similarly, I cannot seem to select a roof and then edit the pivot line. I'll start a new thread on that (after checking for an existing one).

You are right. In AC9 you could select with one hand.
But with time I am used to use the new selection method. Than I can select also with one hand and more precisely.
In my result the selection method in AC 10 is better than in AC9(it was also good enough.)

Re: AC10 No longer biased toward selected item?

Chazz — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:08:30 GMT

All of this points to the importance of using a schmillion button mouse and programing at least two of those buttons to address this issue: One to collect the attributes (the eyedropper tool) and the other to inject the attributes to another element (the syringe tool). This way you can, in many instances, select the element and activate its tool very quickly. Also very useful is programing a button to act as a Shift-click. this was way you can build up selection sets quickly and without touching the keyboard.