topic Re: Grouping Zones in Modeling

Grouping Zones

Steve Jepson — Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:27:09 GMT

How can I group some zones together so I can move them around.

Re: Grouping Zones

Laszlo Nagy — Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:01:56 GMT

Would be good but I do not think this is possible to do.

Re: Grouping Zones

Djordje — Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:20:55 GMT

Steve wrote:
How can I group some zones together so I can move them around.

Save them as a selection.

Re: Grouping Zones

Laszlo Nagy — Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:51:50 GMT

Good one, I like that.

Re: Grouping Zones

Steve Jepson — Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:15:38 GMT

I tried to save them as a selection set. It seemed to work but when I try to place them in as a .gsm I get this error message.

Is there a different way to "Save Selection as.." than making it into an object?

Also, now I have know idea why I wanted to group the zones. I can move them around just fine with out doing that.

Re: Grouping Zones

Ben Odonnell — Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:33:14 GMT

Steve,
What Djordje meant ,Djordje please correct me if I'm wrong,was that you can mark elements just as you have done, but under window-->Palette Display, you will find at the bottom of the menu, Show Selections.
Once you get up your dialog you can then select any combination of elements and save them as selection sets.

Essentially saving a set of pre defined selections and being able to select or deselect them at any time by simply using the +/- buttons.

Once you start using it you will wonder what you did with out it. It's a very handy tool.

Cheers.
Ben

Re: Grouping Zones

Steve Jepson — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:16:01 GMT

ooooh. Thats great. I didn't know about that tool.

Re: Grouping Zones

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:04:05 GMT

To tell you the truth, I did not either.
It is good we can learn so much of this stuff from each other

Re: Grouping Zones

Anonymous — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:56:46 GMT

Ben wrote:
What Djordje meant ,Djordje please correct me if I'm wrong,was that you can mark elements just as you have done, but under window-->Palette Display, you will find at the bottom of the menu, Show Selections.
Once you get up your dialog you can then select any combination of elements and save them as selection sets.

Essentially saving a set of pre defined selections and being able to select or deselect them at any time by simply using the +/- buttons.

I haven't thought about the Show Selections in a while. I'll have to test it out further but after a quick test I don't think these selection sets get saved in templates.

However, if you use the Find & Select feature (Edit/Find & Select...) you can save the Selection Set and it can be saved as a part of a Template as well. Funny, I would think that Selection Sets saved through the Find & Select... featured would show up in the Show Selections window? a wish?

Woody

Re: Grouping Zones

Ben Odonnell — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:24:13 GMT

Woody,
I think you are onto some thing here! What a great idea. At a quick glance it seems to me that the Find & Select version of saving groups is much more detailed and can contain a hole array of criteria.

Were as the selection set version is for a quick way of saving out groups of elements to select and nothing more.
As you pointed out, you can save out these type of selection sets in a TPL file but the way that I have shown it you can not.

I see no reason why these type of selection sets can not be show and used directly in the selection sets window as you pointed out.

Cheers.
Ben

Re: Grouping Zones

Djordje — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:30:13 GMT

Ben wrote:
What Djordje meant ,Djordje please correct me if I'm wrong,was that you can mark elements just as you have done, but under window-->Palette Display, you will find at the bottom of the menu, Show Selections.

Exactly that.

woodster wrote:
However, if you use the Find & Select feature (Edit/Find & Select...) you can save the Selection Set and it can be saved as a part of a Template as well. Funny, I would think that Selection Sets saved through the Find & Select... featured would show up in the Show Selections window? a wish?

Hmmm ... this is funny. Normally, not much of the building elements are saved in a template, BUT - ha! - now I see a reason: you should save section lines and details in the template, so therefore it is logical.

However, the other part has to be investigated yet!

Re: Grouping Zones

davdelven — Wed, 23 Mar 2022 14:44:24 GMT

Did you try to create an IfcZone using the IFC Manager, including the Zones (IfcSpace instances) you want to manage as a group? You could also do the same with IfcGroup, as a parent of IfcZone within the IFC Schema.

Re: Grouping Zones

Barry Kelly — Wed, 23 Mar 2022 14:48:32 GMT

Just wanted to point out you have replied to a 17 year old post.

IFC wasn't even a thing then.

Barry.

Re: Grouping Zones

davdelven — Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:03:10 GMT

Hello, Barry

It was, not maybe within GS Archicad.

IFC 1.5.1. was publicly shown in a Frankfurt conference in 1996.

However, it is always nice to reply a 17 y.o. message 🙂

Btw, do you have a clue which was the date GS implemented the IFC add-on? From what I know it was developed by a third party. Any information?

Kind regards,

David

Re: Grouping Zones

Barry Kelly — Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:13:55 GMT

Actually IFC may well have been in Archicad back then.

I just checked version 12 (that was about 13/14 years ago?) and that has IFC.

It is an add-on but I think not 3rd party, it is included with Archicad.

Barry.

Re: Grouping Zones

davdelven — Thu, 24 Mar 2022 09:03:49 GMT

It would be nice to know a bit of transparent history about this essential and core functionality within Graphisoft Archicad.

@Laszlo Nagy Some additional information?

Re: Grouping Zones

Laszlo Nagy — Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:54:16 GMT

Sorry, no, I don't know which version of Archicad IFC was introduced.

But I checked my materials, all the things I did for Graphisoft over the years, and I found an Interactive Training Guide I did for Graphisoft in 2007 for Archicad 11, and even then, there was a step of exporting IFC to be opened in Tekla Structures. I also found a PNG file with the name IFC_logo_AC10 from 2006. So, definitely, for at least 15 years, we had IFC in Archicad.

Re: Grouping Zones

davdelven — Thu, 24 Mar 2022 13:09:57 GMT

Hi, Laszlo

I knew that guide, indeed.

Interesting *.png! 🙂

We'll keep exploring

Thanks

David