topic Re: How to get plan view to reflect trims made to objects? in Modeling

How to get plan view to reflect trims made to objects?

Anonymous — Tue, 23 May 2023 13:11:00 GMT

I've used RoofMaker to create the framing for a roof extension. It intersects and is built upon an existing sarked roof. So the existing roof is modelled and I've trimmed the RoofMaker rafters to it.

However, the plan view still shows the original untrimmed rafters, whereas 3D and sections show rafters as trimmed. How do I get the plan view to show the rafters trimmed?

Thanks for your help

Re: How to get plan view to reflect trims made to objects?

Anonymous — Thu, 15 May 2008 16:42:50 GMT

This is a long standing problem with SEO (Solid element operations-Trimming objects with roof or floor planes or other objects.) It is reflected on 3d but not on floor plans. What I do is simply mask the ofending object in plan with an empty fill with background color -1 (screen background) There will be issues if you plan to translate the drawing to autocad

Re: How to get plan view to reflect trims made to objects?

Thomas Holm — Thu, 15 May 2008 17:11:06 GMT

It is possible to do a horizontal 3D cut in the 3D window, and when in Internal Engine mode, copy that and paste / overlay it in the floor plan. A real WORKaround, but it's possible.

Re: How to get plan view to reflect trims made to objects?

Anonymous — Thu, 15 May 2008 20:10:11 GMT

Thanks for the quick replies, guys.

Well, I'm dumbfounded. "Alter the model and see your changes reflected in 2D plan..." ....Yeah, right.

I'm still using v10, and this wasn't solved in AC11 either?

So do we know if this is on the GS wishlist near the top, as I believe it should be? I did a forum search on "trim object plan view" and nothing like this showed up.

Re: How to get plan view to reflect trims made to objects?

Erich — Fri, 16 May 2008 01:21:53 GMT

If you search SEO you will find plenty of discussion about this issue. I believe there have been several polls as well. If this is an issue for you find the poll and vote.

Re: How to get plan view to reflect trims made to objects?

Ralph Wessel — Fri, 16 May 2008 13:28:30 GMT

peter_h wrote:
However, the plan view still shows the original untrimmed rafters, whereas 3D and sections show rafters as trimmed. How do I get the plan view to show the rafters trimmed?

You can cut the rafters and other framing members with OBJECTiVE, and it will look correct in 2D and 3D (referring to the attached image):
1) Create your roof with Roofmaker
2) Select the framing to be cut, click OBJECTiVE's Split tool, and trace across the cut line as prompted
3) The offcut ends can be deleted or dragged away (as you please)
4) The finished result in 3D

OBJECTIVE also has built-in steel and timber framing library. You can find out more about OBJECTiVE at http://www.encina.co.uk/objective.html

[Note: if you already have OBJECTiVE, make sure you download the latest version (2.20) for this exercise]

Re: How to get plan view to reflect trims made to objects?

Anonymous — Fri, 16 May 2008 17:34:32 GMT

Listen graphisoft we need this function inside the program!
Im sick of buying new add ons for basic functions that should be in the program. Only to be useless on the next release.
Please Graphisoft do one of the following:
a-Program a similar function on the next release
b-License this proven add on to incorporated on the next release.
c-Give away discount vouchers to buy this add on

Re: How to get plan view to reflect trims made to objects?

Ralph Wessel — Fri, 16 May 2008 17:41:42 GMT

jocontreras wrote:
Im sick of buying new add ons for basic functions that should be in the program. Only to be useless on the next release.

The update to OBJECTiVE for AC12 will be free for all registered users and will not lag behind the release of AC12.

Re: How to get plan view to reflect trims made to objects?

Thomas Holm — Fri, 16 May 2008 20:39:44 GMT

jocontreras,

you might be interested to know that as opposed to other addons (from companies beginning with C), the objects you create or manipulate with Objective will work later even if you don't have Objective installed. So there are no limits to their use, and you can use them in projects you send to others as well.

Ralph,

I seem to lag behind a version or two (of Objective) all the time. You don't happen to have a mail list so we lazy users can get info on new releases when you release them?

Re: How to get plan view to reflect trims made to objects?

Anonymous — Tue, 20 May 2008 23:03:03 GMT

jocontreras wrote:
......on on the next release
b-License this proven add on to incorporated on the next release.
.........

NO NO NO NO let this one stay out of the hands of GS and let Ralph keep it going. We need one reliable/evolving/simple/version to version stable/innovative tool around, please.
Thanks,
Joseph

Re: How to get plan view to reflect trims made to objects?

Anonymous — Tue, 20 May 2008 23:41:46 GMT

Ralph: Would Objective allow me to split those rafters to another sloping roof, thus producing rafters with non-vertical cuts at the place where it meets the other roof?

Re: How to get plan view to reflect trims made to objects?

Ralph Wessel — Wed, 21 May 2008 10:37:52 GMT

peter_h wrote:
Ralph: Would Objective allow me to split those rafters to another sloping roof, thus producing rafters with non-vertical cuts at the place where it meets the other roof?

Yes, you can cut at any angle you please. You could make the cut in a section/elevation window so you can visually set the correct angle, but the section view might only let you see one rafter at a time.

Alternatively, you could use the Rotate tool to temporarily tilt all the rafters over so the required cut is vertical in the floor plan, and then rotate them back into place after the cut is made. If you make the roof an assembly, you can use "Go to Model" to automatically return the rafters to their original orientation.