topic Re: AC10 New 3D Navigation in Modeling

AC10 New 3D Navigation

ArcAngel — Tue, 23 May 2023 15:15:47 GMT

I hate this, I hate this, I hate this.

Graphisoft have thrown out the baby with the bath water. For the sake of a gimmicky adolescent user interface we have lost simple panning, rotation, smooth movement, editing (albeit after clicking on an icon) and the ability to smoothly rotate a 3D view of an object in its 3D window.

Am I missing something here or have we lost much more than we have gained?

I may be looking for a refund on my upgrade!

Re: AC10 New 3D Navigation

Anonymous — Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:21:57 GMT

Yes First time....especially if you hate killer video game....

You must speed down and move with key, you will love it.
You can see around with mouse like super mario. You can check with this way better and move faster.

Re: AC10 New 3D Navigation

Thomas Holm — Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:46:10 GMT

If you want it, you can turn on 3D navigation the old way. I't all there.

Re: AC10 New 3D Navigation

Anonymous — Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:38:32 GMT

ArcAngel wrote:
I hate this, I hate this, I hate this.

Graphisoft have thrown out the baby with the bath water. For the sake of a gimmicky adolescent user interface we have lost simple panning, rotation, smooth movement, editing (albeit after clicking on an icon) and the ability to smoothly rotate a 3D view of an object in its 3D window.

Am I missing something here or have we lost much more than we have gained?

I may be looking for a refund on my upgrade!

As Thomas points out the old ways are still there if preferred, but I find the new 3D navigation much easier.

I never did quite get used to the old methods which still seem kind of backwards and clumsy to me. The new orbit mode seems especially intuitive and easy to learn. I have found that even people with no familiarity with ArchiCAD (or any CAD) can just grab the mouse and move around the model immediately. This is a BIG improvement IMHO.

Re: AC10 New 3D Navigation

Anonymous — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 01:04:34 GMT

Don't forget the shift mouse wheel button combo that Link pointed out that allows a toggle to the orbit mode while you are in the edit mode. I use this all the time....

Re: AC10 New 3D Navigation

ArcAngel — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:48:45 GMT

Thomas wrote:
If you want it, you can turn on 3D navigation the old way. I't all there.

Can someone please show me how?

This emphasises my point that what was, 15 years ago, a simple elegant CAD package, has become menu- and option-bound to the point that all the intuitiveness present in the early Mac-only versions has been subsumed. I have NEVER before had to ask how to do something in ArchiCAD.

Re: AC10 New 3D Navigation

Thomas Holm — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:32:01 GMT

ArcAngel wrote:
Thomas wrote:
If you want it, you can turn on 3D navigation the old way. I't all there.

Can someone please show me how?

This emphasises my point that what was, 15 years ago, a simple elegant CAD package, has become menu- and option-bound to the point that all the intuitiveness present in the early Mac-only versions has been subsumed. I have NEVER before had to ask how to do something in ArchiCAD.

Menu:
Window>Toolbars>Classic 3D Navigation

Not that hard to find.

And to just give an argument for the opposite, I think this version is the first in which every command has at least one visual menu or toolbar/palette clue. Before, some had only keyboard shortcuts that you had to memorize. I don't call that very intuitive.

And of course it still is possible to limit the user interface to the Ac 4.5 point if you wish. In AC9, there was a beginner GUI option delivered, if I remember correctly. But the problem was that those learning it that way never found the more advanced options. No good for a professional system.

Re: AC10 New 3D Navigation

ArcAngel — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:24:45 GMT

Thomas wrote:
Menu:
Window>Toolbars>Classic 3D Navigation

Not that hard to find.

And to just give an argument for the opposite, I think this version is the first in which every command has at least one visual menu or toolbar/palette clue. Before, some had only keyboard shortcuts that you had to memorize. I don't call that very intuitive.

Well actually it is that hard to find if you import your preferences from the previous version. That menu item didn't appear at all. I got there though by doing a "New and reset all". Of course that means that I had to go and reset all my personal preferences, shortcuts etc ... a very efficient and smooth transition.

Also I have always found keyboard shortcuts to be a quicker and more efficient way of working than pull-down menus and mouse clicks (I learnt that from the 1980s Intergraph CAD package with its tablet the size of a desk!) The problem comes when the shortcuts are changed eg "Ctrl 3"

Re: AC10 New 3D Navigation

Thomas Holm — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:51:55 GMT

ArcAngel wrote:
Well actually it is that hard to find if you import your preferences from the previous version. That menu item didn't appear at all. I got there though by doing a "New and reset all". Of course that means that I had to go and reset all my personal preferences, shortcuts etc ... a very efficient and smooth transition.

Aha! I always recommend to start a new version with the delivered preferences, and then customize. I find this is often a better way to learn to utilize new features to the best. I run the risk of preserving methods that perhaps aren't the most efficient anymore if i just transfer the old prefs (I personally have that problem anyway). But it's a free world.

Re: AC10 New 3D Navigation

__archiben — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:18:13 GMT

Thomas wrote:
Aha! I always recommend to start a new version with the delivered preferences, and then customize.

not really the point of having a saved work environment though, if it's not future proof . . .

~/archiben

Re: AC10 New 3D Navigation

Thomas Holm — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:22:07 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Aha! I always recommend to start a new version with the delivered preferences, and then customize.
not really the point of having a saved work environment though, if it's not future proof . . .

Of course. To save it is primarlily for safety, re-installations, and for in-house distribution I think. I don't believe in a future-proof work environment. I'd have to foresee all possible evolutions of the base software (archicad). But I'm not into religion 😉

Re: AC10 New 3D Navigation

Anonymous — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:04:14 GMT

Thomas wrote:
I don't believe in a future-proof work environment. I'd have to foresee all possible evolutions of the base software (archicad). But I'm not into religion 😉

A future-proof environment

Isn't that what the various fundamentalist sects are seeking?
Perhaps that's what you mean by your reference to religion.

Re: AC10 New 3D Navigation

Rakela Raul — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:42:08 GMT

(I learnt that from the 1980s Intergraph CAD package with its tablet the size of a desk!)

hey, another one like me !!! very expensive system at that time...and after a few years all that went to the garbage container (and not kidding)

Re: AC10 New 3D Navigation

Thomas Holm — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:56:43 GMT

Matthew wrote:
A future-proof environment

Isn't that what the various fundamentalist sects are seeking?
Perhaps that's what you mean by your reference to religion.

Exactly.

Re: AC10 New 3D Navigation

ArcAngel — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:39:43 GMT

Rakela wrote:
hey, another one like me !!! very expensive system at that time...and after a few years all that went to the garbage container (and not kidding)

Hey, don't you really miss having eight simultaneous views of your project open, and having to type two pages of UNIX code to print a drawing?

Re: AC10 New 3D Navigation

Rakela Raul — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:30:09 GMT

i even remember the first day of the 'undo' command !!!!