topic Re: Help with Vaulted Roof! in Modeling

Help with Vaulted Roof!

Anonymous — Tue, 23 May 2023 13:21:05 GMT

I need to trim the hip to the vault. Can someone please guide me in the right direction?

Justin

Re: Help with Vaulted Roof!

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:06:20 GMT

An SEO with downwards extrusion will do it - roof as target, barrel vault as operator.

Re: Help with Vaulted Roof!

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:39:18 GMT

If you want the plan view to be correct then you will
need to do something a little more time consuming.
In the 3D window, set the view to top view shaded
and copy two roofs with the flat marque then paste
in the plan view. With the polyline tool trace the edges
of the fills that are the intersection of the barrel vault
and the hip roof plane. Then edit the eave of the hip roof
to follow the polyline. After that, if the barrel vault is
made with the roof tool you can edit the edges of
the rooflits to follow the same polyline.
Peter Devlin

Re: Help with Vaulted Roof!

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:57:25 GMT

Good idea Peter. I was trying to think of a way to transfer the line of intersection of the two roofs. Don't you wish SEO's displayed properly in plan too?

Re: Help with Vaulted Roof!

TomWaltz — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:05:38 GMT

Colyer-Lloyd wrote:
I need to trim the hip to the vault. Can someone please guide me in the right direction?

Justin

I think you could probably just use the Pet Palette to cut a hole out of the roof. It would look right in plan, too. (Unless I seriously misunderstand your problem)

Re: Help with Vaulted Roof!

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:20:09 GMT

Yes, Tom, but Peter's method shows you exactly where to stretch to with the pet palette.

Pity you can't use "trim to roof" on a roof?

Re: Help with Vaulted Roof!

Link — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:32:21 GMT

With all due respect, I'm with Tom on this. You gotta let ArchiCAD do the work for you.

Ctrl click the roofs to each other to determine where they meet, then use the pet palette to cut the hole out. You may need to use the pet palette again on the join to mitre them, but it is much easier and logical to use that method IMHO.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Help with Vaulted Roof!

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:43:44 GMT

Duh, what was I thinking. Been doing a lot of that on weird shaped roofs that would have transferred to this barrel vault situation....

I need a holiday

Re: Help with Vaulted Roof!

Link — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:48:23 GMT

s2art wrote:
Duh, what was I thinking. Been doing a lot of that on weird shaped roofs that would have transferred to this barrel vault situation....

I need a holiday

You should have at least gone to the cricket!

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Help with Vaulted Roof!

Rod Jurich — Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:24:49 GMT

Link wrote:
You should have at least gone to the cricket!

Careful Link, now that the Kiwis have beaten us 3 nil,
we'll be lucky to get a word in without some ribbing.

I'm surprised Ben hasn't chimed in already

Re: Help with Vaulted Roof!

Link — Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:31:32 GMT

He's been pretty quiet since the Ashes series. Having said that I think I will lay off all betting for the World Cup, and just wait for footy season!

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Help with Vaulted Roof!

Anonymous — Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:13:26 GMT

Link wrote:
s2art wrote:
Duh, what was I thinking. Been doing a lot of that on weird shaped roofs that would have transferred to this barrel vault situation....

I need a holiday
You should have at least gone to the cricket!

Cheers,
Link.

I KNOW!!! In my home town last night and everything, how bad is that. Might have lost a few more brain cells though, and then where would I be?

Rod wrote:
Careful Link, now that the Kiwis have beaten us 3 nil,

Re: Help with Vaulted Roof!

Anonymous — Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:26:01 GMT

Hello Link,
I tried your method. At least I think it is your method because
control + click does not do anything so I assume you have
changed the default command + click to intersect two roofs
to each other. Anyway, using command + click all of the
little rooflits were trimmed back to their intersection edges
with the plane roof. There are some surprises, at least for me.
If you look at the image below, you will notice that the
rooflits near the spring line of the vault have trimmed to
a plane that is as though the plane roof extended farther
than it in fact does. Also notice that the rooflits are attempting
to miter with the edge of the plane roof even though
edge of the plane roof had not been edited to fit the
edges of the rooflits.
I have not been able to get each facet of the plane roof
cutout and the corresponding rooflit edge to properly miter.
I am wondering how to avoid or correct some of these problems
Thanks,
Peter Devlin

Re: Help with Vaulted Roof!

Link — Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:39:26 GMT

Hey Peter

I have gotten into the bad habit of just giving PC shortcuts. You'll need to convert them to Mac for me! Hence the ctrl click issue. You may also need to suspend groups for the barrel vault, but I'm sure you got that figured out.

As for the join, that's an integral problem with healing roofs together and is why I added the note that you may need to mitre the joints. Just select all the roofs, and click and hold on the edge that joins them. Then choose the 'set roof edge angle' pet palette option and use the Mitred Joint option to mitre the joints. You'll have to do each rooflet individually, but it'll get the job done.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Help with Vaulted Roof!

Link — Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:40:45 GMT

What's more of a mystery is why all your posts are written like poems!

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Help with Vaulted Roof!

Anonymous — Wed, 21 Feb 2007 02:10:24 GMT

Hello Link,
Do you mean by "are written like poems" that they are
in a columner form ?
I find it much easier to read text this way. I get lost reading
a very long horizontal lines of text.
News papers must think the same way because they do the same thing.
I assume that news papers do this because they have
found that readers prefer this but maybe there is another reason.
Is this form harder for you to read than very long lines of text ?
Which do you prefer ?
Thanks,
Peter Devlin

Re: Help with Vaulted Roof!

Link — Wed, 21 Feb 2007 02:17:18 GMT

The format of your posts is fine as is the quality, may I add. I just figured you cut and pasted them from somehwere else which changed the formatting.

Jeesh - you must hate reading some of my longwinded posts then!

Hope you got the roof junction figured out.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Help with Vaulted Roof!

Anonymous — Wed, 21 Feb 2007 02:28:25 GMT

Hello Link,
I tried your suggestion about going to the "set roof edge angle"
but there is no "Mitred Joint option". All I have is
"vertical", "perpendicular" ,"horizontal", "custom", and "apply to all edges".
Where is this "Mitred Joint" option ?
Thanks,
Peter Devlin

Re: Help with Vaulted Roof!

Anonymous — Wed, 21 Feb 2007 02:31:26 GMT

Peter

The "rooflits" that don't meet the roof can be stretched back to the fascia line of the main roof. Add a node where part of the edge meets the roof, part hangs over the fascia. All should be well.

Re: Help with Vaulted Roof!

Anonymous — Wed, 21 Feb 2007 02:35:25 GMT

Hello Link,
I just found the "Mitred Joint option".
I never ran into that one because I never
had the occasion to select all roofs, enable
the roof tool, and go to edit roof edge angle.
Learn something every moment. Thank God !!
Thanks Link
Peter Devlin