topic Re: Steel Sections for Beams and Columns in Modeling

Steel Sections for Beams and Columns

Anonymous — Fri, 26 May 2023 10:34:39 GMT

Does anyone have a collection of steel sections for beams and columns that they would be willing to share?

I am about to start a bunch of structural steel models and it would be great not to have to create all the profiles from scratch. It's not a big deal to do - I'll only make the ones I need of course - but it would be nice not to have to take the time.

Re: Steel Sections for Beams and Columns

TomWaltz — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:37:12 GMT

Why not use the objects? Remember that sloping beams and columns distort the shape so they are no longer accurate...

Re: Steel Sections for Beams and Columns

Anonymous — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:19:54 GMT

Always wandered, what is the use of Beam & Column Tool when we have Beam & Column Objects? I only use Objects in the default AC library, any one else?
Thanks,
Joseph

Re: Steel Sections for Beams and Columns

Laura Yanoviak — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:34:30 GMT

Joseph wrote:
Always wandered, what is the use of Beam & Column Tool when we have Beam & Column Objects? I only use Objects in the default AC library, any one else?

I asked the same question about a year ago: here

Since then, I have played with the Complex Profiles a bit more, but (unlike Matthew's comment) had problems with the beams cleaning up correctly (if at all).

Re: Steel Sections for Beams and Columns

TomWaltz — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:08:21 GMT

I use them for an occasional trim piece here and there... that's about it

Re: Steel Sections for Beams and Columns

Anonymous — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:15:59 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
I use them for an occasional trim piece here and there... that's about it

I assume you mean Column & Beam Tool; but trim what? When I hear trim is see SEO?

Re: Steel Sections for Beams and Columns

TomWaltz — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:17:47 GMT

Joseph wrote:
TomWaltz wrote:
I use them for an occasional trim piece here and there... that's about it
I assume you mean Column & Beam Tool; but trim what? When I hear trim is see SEO?

Trim in that context is a noun, like for moldings, bases, crowns, etc.

Re: Steel Sections for Beams and Columns

Anonymous — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:23:39 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
Joseph wrote:
TomWaltz wrote:
I use them for an occasional trim piece here and there... that's about it

I assume you mean Column & Beam Tool; but trim what? When I hear trim is see SEO?

Trim in that context is a noun, like for moldings, bases, crowns, etc.

Thanks a good use for them finally!

Re: Steel Sections for Beams and Columns

__archiben — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:48:35 GMT

Matthew wrote:
Does anyone have a collection of steel sections for beams and columns that they would be willing to share?

matthew - i wouldn't even begin to use 'complex profiles' for steelwork. the steelwork objects are far more intelligent. they may take a little getting used to - especially for cutting angles - but they are far superior to the rather unfortunately named dumb 'complex' profiles . . .

your time would be better spent working out how to put stretchable cutting plane hotspots on the current steelwork objects - then all steelwork modelling can be done very quickly in the 3D window.

ben

Re: Steel Sections for Beams and Columns

Rod Jurich — Thu, 19 Jul 2007 02:43:21 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Does anyone have a collection of steel sections for beams and columns that they would be willing to share?
/.....your time would be better spent working out how to put stretchable cutting plane hotspots on the current steelwork objects - then all steelwork modelling can be done very quickly in the 3D window.

Or you could save even more time/money for a small investment in OBJECTiVE
A number of parts in one Add On.
Very intelligent, easy to use.
There is an extensive Timber and Steel profile library included with
the added ability to split/rotate and more.

Re: Steel Sections for Beams and Columns

Anonymous — Thu, 19 Jul 2007 03:45:20 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
Why not use the objects?

Not as convenient (but may be the better choice). The other options are Revit Structure and Tekla.

Remember that sloping beams and columns distort the shape so they are no longer accurate...

Forgot about that. May not be a problem. Not sure yet if there are sloping beams or columns in the projects.

Thanks for all the response guys.

Re: Steel Sections for Beams and Columns

__archiben — Thu, 19 Jul 2007 05:13:04 GMT

Matthew wrote:
Not as convenient (but may be the better choice). The other options are Revit Structure and Tekla.

matthew

i'm not sure if they've updated it recently, but there is an 'x-steel' library on GS's 'structure' pages. using those steel objects rather than the AC library steel means you can round-trip with tekla . . . and supposedly be able to bring connection plates back into AC once the engineers have run their analysis and exported . . . ?

ben

Re: Steel Sections for Beams and Columns

Anonymous — Thu, 19 Jul 2007 05:17:29 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Not as convenient (but may be the better choice). The other options are Revit Structure and Tekla.
matthew

i'm not sure if they've updated it recently, but there is an 'x-steel' library on GS's 'structure' pages. using those steel objects rather than the AC library steel means you can round-trip with tekla . . . and supposedly be able to bring connection plates back into AC once the engineers have run their analysis and exported . . . ?

ben

Cool. Thanks Ben. I'll check it out. I knew I heard something about the round trip to Tekla. This could be VERY good.

Re: Steel Sections for Beams and Columns

__archiben — Thu, 19 Jul 2007 05:19:39 GMT

in fact - it looks like the 'x-steel' library is no longer available, but that the workflow uses IFC and archicad's own steel objects. much better! that's something i suggested a long time ago. ( )

ben