topic Re: Place Module in Modeling

Place Module

Anonymous — Tue, 23 May 2023 13:25:34 GMT

On a building plot I have designed 3 separate houses. Each house has 2 stories and a roof. The houses have different elevations, the first one ±0.00, the second +1.00 and the third +2.00.

I have designed each house in a different file and the building plot to another. Trying to place each building, in the right place and elevation on the building plot, using the “place module” command, I have to place each story of each building separately. Can a module place all the stories at once?

Thank you in advance

Re: Place Module

TomWaltz — Thu, 05 Oct 2006 12:29:59 GMT

No. The Archicad hotlink function can only link to one story at a time.

Someone had a workaround for that a while back (something about saving the file out as a .mod with all-story marquee or something like that), but I do not remember what it was.

Re: Place Module

Laszlo Nagy — Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:22:21 GMT

Tom, here is the link to that trick you mentioned:

http://www.archicadwiki.com/TechNotes/Multi-story_Hotlinks?highlight=%28module%29

Re: Place Module

Anonymous — Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:42:50 GMT

laszlonagy wrote:
Tom, here is the link to that trick you mentioned:

http://www.archicadwiki.com/TechNotes/Multi-story_Hotlinks?highlight=%28module%29

There are no Stupid Questions ...Right?

Well. I did not understand the relationships between the Skyscraper Module Files and the "Mother" File. Like in Step 3 & 4, which file are these step performed in.

Lets say that I have a Residence (File name "House") that contains the Following Stories:
3. Third Floor
2. Second Floor
1. First Floor
-1. Pony Walls
-2. Foundation
-3. Datum

I would like to Hotlink all the Stories Except Datum to an other File called "Site".

Could someone explain the steps.

Jay

Re: Place Module

Laszlo Nagy — Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:22:39 GMT

Jay wrote:
laszlonagy wrote:
Tom, here is the link to that trick you mentioned:

http://www.archicadwiki.com/TechNotes/Multi-story_Hotlinks?highlight=%28module%29
There are no Stupid Questions ...Right?

Well. I did not understand the relationships between the Skyscraper Module Files and the "Mother" File. Like in Step 3 & 4, which file are these step performed in.

Lets say that I have a Residence (File name "House") that contains the Following Stories:
3. Third Floor
2. Second Floor
1. First Floor
-1. Pony Walls
-2. Foundation
-3. Datum

I would like to Hotlink all the Stories Except Datum to an other File called "Site".

Could someone explain the steps.

Jay

I did this and actually there are 3 files.
A. The Mother File into which the Hotlinked Module is placed (a PLN file)
B. The Module File (a MOD file)
C. The original file that is the source of that building data (a PLN file)

Steps:
1. Take File C and save it as a module file. This step creates File B.
2. In File A, use the Merge command to merge into it File B.
3. Still in File A, draw a Thick Marquee around the merged building so all stories will be included.
4. Use the Save as Hotlinked Modules command to save the selection.
In the upcoming Dialog, you must check the Change to hotlink to the saved file checkbox and overwrite the module file (File B). Actually, you do not change the hotlink because there is no hotlink defined yet. This step will create the Hotlink for the module file, and since you have multiple Stories, it will create hotlinks for all stories.

I hope this helps.

Re: Place Module

Thomas Holm — Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:10:09 GMT

laszlonagy wrote:
In the upcoming Dialog, you must check the Change to hotlink to the saved file checkbox and overwrite the module file.

I take it you mean name the saved file as and overwrite file B?

Anyway, fantastic tip Lazlo!

Se also:
http://www.archicadwiki.com/TechNotes/Multi-story_Hotlinks?highlight=%28module%29

Re: Place Module

Laszlo Nagy — Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:14:00 GMT

Yes, you need to overwrite File B (the MOD file). I edit it in my original post, too.

That is the same tip, Jay just asked me to elaborate it, which I did.

Re: Place Module

Link — Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:21:50 GMT

This is a great method and is pretty much the same thing that Eric Batte came up with back in the Escribe days. He called it Circular hotlinking. To quote Eric:

This may not be obvious to everyone, but it's a little technique I presented to the office the other day: Hotlinking modules to themselves (circular hotlinking, I'm calling it).

We keep all project info. within a single PLN file and since we often have a different rotation on the site plan (on paper) we draw the site on the story below the floor plan (of the building). As some of you may have noticed, if you draw at one orientation and choose to rotate the PMK in PlotMaker you can end up with upside down text and other elements. It is possible to use hotlinked modules to link to another story of the same PLN file. So, if we go to the site story we can add a hotlinked module pointing to the same PLN file and place the building story on the site story and vice versa.

MODEL.PLN (story 1)->linked to->MODEL.PLN (story -1)

Now, an important thing to realize is that since you are linking to the same file you're working with the hotlink of the other story will not be recognized as updated until you save the file. So the process to update the hotlink is to save the file and then update the hotlink manually.

This allows us to draw within our drawing bounds for each plan and as we prefer the rotation to be for each project to best fit on the sheet in PlotMaker. It could also be used to link the roof story to the site or anything else you could think of.

Eric Batte

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The Standardized Template System for ArchiCAD

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It's just a different slant on the same idea, really. But it is under-utilized IMHO - it's really quite powerful!

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Place Module

PatriciaLe_o — Sat, 07 Oct 2006 19:10:56 GMT

Link wrote:
This is a great method and is pretty much the same thing that Eric Batte came up with back in the Escribe days. He called it Circular hotlinking. To quote Eric:

This may not be obvious to everyone, but it's a little technique I presented to the office the other day: Hotlinking modules to themselves (circular hotlinking, I'm calling it).

We keep all project info. within a single PLN file and since we often have a different rotation on the site plan (on paper) we draw the site on the story below the floor plan (of the building). As some of you may have noticed, if you draw at one orientation and choose to rotate the PMK in PlotMaker you can end up with upside down text and other elements. It is possible to use hotlinked modules to link to another story of the same PLN file. So, if we go to the site story we can add a hotlinked module pointing to the same PLN file and place the building story on the site story and vice versa.

MODEL.PLN (story 1)->linked to->MODEL.PLN (story -1)

Now, an important thing to realize is that since you are linking to the same file you're working with the hotlink of the other story will not be recognized as updated until you save the file. So the process to update the hotlink is to save the file and then update the hotlink manually.

This allows us to draw within our drawing bounds for each plan and as we prefer the rotation to be for each project to best fit on the sheet in PlotMaker. It could also be used to link the roof story to the site or anything else you could think of.

Eric Batte

******************************************************
Be Productive. Be Efficient. Be Standardized.
The Standardized Template System for ArchiCAD

www.getstandardized.com
******************************************************

It's just a different slant on the same idea, really. But it is under-utilized IMHO - it's really quite powerful!

Cheers,
Link.

Hi Link,
I was pointed to this topic by Djordje in another topic I posted (http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=12774), and I think this solution of yours might save the day over here...
But I still didn't figure ir out very well... Do you keep the original model and all the rotations that you do in the same .PLN file? You don't use .MOD files in this procedure? Do you explode things and make them 2D!? (I'm saying this because you said "we draw the site on the story below the floor plan"). How does it make the text look right at layout?
If you could read the other topic I mentioned I'd thank you a lot. Otherwise I can explain my issue better here again... I don't know how I should organize the files and information in my situation (10 models that fit more than 300 terrains).
Thanks in advance!

Re: Place Module

Link — Tue, 10 Oct 2006 02:01:00 GMT

Just so you know, the above quote was from Eric Batte, not me.

For your situation you will need to set the text in your original model to 'Fix Angle'. When you hotlink it as a module, into the site plan you will need to make sure the 'Adjust angle of fixed-angle elements to reflect module rotation' setting is unchecked.

It's probably at this point you'll realize you need to go back and change the anchor points and formatting of all your original text! At least you can simply update the hotlinked module. And you'll know for next time.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Place Module

Anonymous — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 05:31:41 GMT

I've asked this question in another topic:

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=77741#77741

but thought I might bring it up here, seeing as hotlinked modules are being discussed:

I can't see a way of getting doors and windows to label in elevation in the following scenario:

I have a housing development where I have several "types" of 2 storey buildings which need repeating but with minor changes to external screens, stairs and balconies. I have each building type in a PLN fully modelled and noted (in plan only) - BUT without the things that are specific for each particular building (screens, stairs and balconies). I then have seperate PLN files for each actual building with the original "type" PLN brought in as a Hotlinked Module (each storey in each storey). I then add the external work specific for the particular building. Elevations and Sections are generated off this PLN (with the external stairs and balconies) and noted and dimensioned. And it's here I need the windows and doors numbered in the elevations. As these specific buildings are having their walls with doors and windows come from a hotlinked (PLN) module, I can't label them.

Does my process make sense, or is there a better way? Anyone else work this type of scenario in a different way? Or if this has been discussed before, can you point me to where it is?

Maybe I just have to accept the fact that I can't aoutomatically label the doors and windows in elevation.

Re: Place Module

TomWaltz — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:01:36 GMT

Ray wrote:
I've asked this question in another topic:

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=77741#77741

but thought I might bring it up here, seeing as hotlinked modules are being discussed:
....

Does my process make sense, or is there a better way? Anyone else work this type of scenario in a different way? Or if this has been discussed before, can you point me to where it is?

Maybe I just have to accept the fact that I can't aoutomatically label the doors and windows in elevation.

When they are part of a module, no you cannot. I'm sorry to say, the answer does not change if you post agan to a different thread 😉

Believe me, I've wanted this one for a long time, but modules just don't allow you to turn on labels in elevation/section.

Re: Place Module

Rakela Raul — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:13:44 GMT

I'm sorry to say, the answer does not change if you post agan to a different thread Wink

Re: Place Module

Anonymous — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:29:57 GMT

Rakela wrote:
Tom wrote:
I'm sorry to say, the answer does not change if you post agan to a different thread Wink

Like I tell my kids when "no" is not the answer they want - "If you want a different answer, ask a different question"

Re: Place Module

TomWaltz — Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:34:35 GMT

Re: Place Module

Anonymous — Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:31:11 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
When they are part of a module, no you cannot. I'm sorry to say, the answer does not change if you post agan to a different thread 😉

Believe me, I've wanted this one for a long time, but modules just don't allow you to turn on labels in elevation/section.

Tom,

Just needed to know wether it was possible or not. I'm not expecting a different answer - I posted in two topics not knowing wether or not I would get an answer. There are often vastly different audiences viewing various topics, with vastly different experience.

But thanks for answering the question.