topic Re: My First Reall Wall Non-Cleanup Concern in Modeling

My First Reall Wall Non-Cleanup Concern

Anonymous — Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:00:08 GMT

H'lo...
My corner...just this one...is refusing to clean-up..the walls are the same wall, really, and they used to clean up so I don't know what gives. If I apple-I (intersect, right) them, one just LAPS over the other; if I alter the display order, the lapping changes. The only maybe-clue I have is that one of the walls gets three pink edit-dots when I select it, and the other gets but two--perhaps indicative of some other difference? I dunno...quite weird...many thanks, as always, for troubleshooting hints...

Re: My First Reall Wall Non-Cleanup Concern

Anonymous — Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:06:59 GMT

In addition to my inability to spell, I perhaps post too quickly. In typing my question, I deriverd a potential solution, and lo, and behold, it worked. My hope now is that someone will see this and be able to learn from it! Hope I'm not cluttering y'alls lives unnecessarily...here's the answer...
the three pink dots indicates an offset for positioning the wall. One had no offset, the other, a 1-1/4" offset. Why they couldn't heal up, still dunno, but changing one so that both had the same offset set it up to work immediately.
thanks for your patience...!

Re: My First Reall Wall Non-Cleanup Concern

TomWaltz — Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:07:14 GMT

Are they on the same layer? If so, is that layer's intersection number 0? If not, do the two layers have the same intersection number?

You may also want to check to see if any elements on a layer turned off have the same layer intersection number as one these walls are on.

Re: My First Reall Wall Non-Cleanup Concern

Anonymous — Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:07:17 GMT

um... nvrmind.... (dang .... tuff crowd)

Re: My First Reall Wall Non-Cleanup Concern

TomWaltz — Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:09:46 GMT

Ian wrote:
Try hitting (F7 on a win machine - clean wall/beam intersection mode on/off)
I just turned mine 'off' and it did what your describing.

Thats the first place i would start.

Ian, if you read his problem you would realize that he said "ONLY" that one connection has a problem. Your solution is global and would affect ALL walls.

It's great that you're new to the community and want to help, but try to make sure your answer is at least relevant to the problem at hand.

Re: My First Reall Wall Non-Cleanup Concern

Anonymous — Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:10:55 GMT

Zobi wrote:
In addition to my inability to spell, I perhaps post too quickly. In typing my question, I deriverd a potential solution, and lo, and behold, it worked. My hope now is that someone will see this and be able to learn from it! Hope I'm not cluttering y'alls lives unnecessarily...here's the answer...
the three pink dots indicates an offset for positioning the wall. One had no offset, the other, a 1-1/4" offset. Why they couldn't heal up, still dunno, but changing one so that both had the same offset set it up to work immediately.
thanks for your patience...!

Re: My First Reall Wall Non-Cleanup Concern

TomWaltz — Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:13:51 GMT

Zobi wrote:
Zobi wrote:
In addition to my inability to spell, I perhaps post too quickly. In typing my question, I deriverd a potential solution, and lo, and behold, it worked. My hope now is that someone will see this and be able to learn from it! Hope I'm not cluttering y'alls lives unnecessarily...here's the answer...
the three pink dots indicates an offset for positioning the wall. One had no offset, the other, a 1-1/4" offset. Why they couldn't heal up, still dunno, but changing one so that both had the same offset set it up to work immediately.
thanks for your patience...!

That's sursprising, since usually the reference lines just need to hit each other, not be the same!

Re: My First Reall Wall Non-Cleanup Concern

Anonymous — Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:17:00 GMT

You know, Tom, maybe that was it...! I changed the wall with 0" offset to match the 1.25" offset, and then promptly moved it 1.25" back to its original location...hence, the reference lines nipped up tightly at the corner. So that criterion was met, right there; however, it is still puzzling that when I "intersected" them with the apple-I command, they refused to do so, as clearly, the reference lines themselves would intersect...in any case, thank you for your input!

Re: My First Reall Wall Non-Cleanup Concern

Djordje — Thu, 05 Jan 2006 06:10:02 GMT

Intersect should clean the walls up; I don't see in your screnshot that the ref lines join. So, use the F7 as Ian advised to check the ref lines, match them, go back. See what happens.

Another case might be that your walls are of different height or at different elevation - check it in 3D.

Re: My First Reall Wall Non-Cleanup Concern

Anonymous — Thu, 05 Jan 2006 20:06:48 GMT

All, and Djordge of last post:
The prev. wall problem is solved, but I ran into this one, which is similar. I've checked all of those variables, and all looks good in all regards, and it actually views perfectly in 3D. But, weird. I'll send a 2nd post with the ref lines. Thank you~

Re: My First Reall Wall Non-Cleanup Concern

Anonymous — Thu, 05 Jan 2006 20:09:01 GMT

ref lines. Looks good to me...? Perhaps I should just delete these bits and redo them? Does this appear to be a bug?
thanks again.

Re: My First Reall Wall Non-Cleanup Concern

Anonymous — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:28:05 GMT

I've ran into this problem before, and I'm not sure if it will work for you, but what I did was extend one wall (in your case probably the bottom wall) beyond the other wall, and then trim it back with control click.

HTH,
dan

Re: My First Reall Wall Non-Cleanup Concern

Anonymous — Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:09:23 GMT

Dan,
Thanks--that trick did MORE than other things I have tried, but not quite enough...see attached...I also tried extending the other wall and trimming it, and then extending the first and so on, but none of that seemed to help. I think it particularly odd that ONLY this wall does it, in the model. Not sure what is up with it, at all. Further advice is most certainly welcome.
Thanks!

Re: My First Reall Wall Non-Cleanup Concern

Anonymous — Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:10:00 GMT

and, whoops, the image.

Re: My First Reall Wall Non-Cleanup Concern

Richard Morrison — Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:35:00 GMT

A few things to check:

1) Wall end lines. Try a different one (like the closed end) to see if this has an effect.

2) Check for another object or wall element that is touching or overlapping this wall at this location; may be on a hidden layer or different story.

3) Flip one of the reference lines (i.e."invert all sides" command), if possible, and reconnect.

4) Last resort, use a patch.

Re: My First Reall Wall Non-Cleanup Concern

Dwight — Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:58:55 GMT

it looks like a tiny bit of wall stuck on the end......
probably an extra bit in there to confuse the clean-up

Re: My First Reall Wall Non-Cleanup Concern

TomWaltz — Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:15:21 GMT

Also check to make sure there are no walls on Hidden Layers that are trying to clean up with it.

Re: My First Reall Wall Non-Cleanup Concern

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:18:14 GMT

This looks like a wall on a footing? If so, the reference lines should be made to 'match', typically, putting the reference line to the exterior... but in any case, they should both be inside the corner or both outside in this situation IMHO.

Remember that walls in AC are in some sense thickened lines. The reference line is the only aspect of the wall that is 'locked' in x/y space. If you change a wall thickness, it grows from the line. (Modify Wall and ref line offset provide other options of course.) So, when modeling a stem wall (which this seems to be - but small footing, so I'm probably guessing wrong), you want the bearing point for the wall/structure above to remain fixed - hence the reference line to the outside. (Logs are another matter.)

I suspect that the footing (?) - the dashed wall below - is the same intersection priority as your red walls. This can cause intersection problems such as you illustrate, too.

I actually find display glitches like those that you see helpful: they suggest to me that my model is not right. 😉

(And, as Tom says: check for walls on hidden layers with the same intersection priority ... these kinds of issues happen in remodel projects where the demo walls are hidden but the intersection priority hasn't been set properly for the view.)

HTH,
Karl

Re: My First Reall Wall Non-Cleanup Concern

Dwight — Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:58:19 GMT

Drawing excessive extra wall bits is a common error when using the continuous segment wall option in the wall tool.

Just move your cursor a bit and make a faulty click - you get another bit of wall there...... it could even be inside the correct walls.

Select all walls and look for stray control nodes...... that's the ticket.

Re: My First Reall Wall Non-Cleanup Concern

Anonymous — Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:41:39 GMT

Karl wrote:
This looks like a wall on a footing? If so, the reference lines should be made to 'match', typically, putting the reference line to the exterior... but in any case, they should both be inside the corner or both outside in this situation IMHO.

Thank you ALL for those great suggestions! I methodically went through em, and discovered that everyone who suspected interference were correct. I quoted Karl here because it mentions the footing...my "footing" is actually a wall, as I wanted it to appear differently in elevation and in plan, and it was interfering with the stemwall, above...not because of superimposition in e-space, but because of something to do with the location of the reference line it was keyed to. That is, even though all of the reference lines for the stem wall were inside the corner, the position of the reference lines for the footing were inconsistent-inside the corner, then outside the corner. Being consistent in the placement of the ref lines in relation to the corner solved the problem.
THANK YOU.