topic Re: Complex Profile in Modeling

Complex Profile

Anonymous — Tue, 22 Jul 2025 10:22:11 GMT

Hello

I made this complex profile. It looks ok in plan but in 3d & elevation the corners go all the way out to the edge of the footer.I was wondering if the point of origin might be the problem but it doesnt seem to fix it if I move it. I hope the screen shot shows enough to see what I am doing wrong. Also is there a way to change the footer line to a dashed line.

Thank You for any help

Brian

Re: Complex Profile

Steve Jepson — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 04:04:31 GMT

It is probably not a good idea to have the footing included with the wall anyway.

It's fun to see all that modeling being done at once but in the end it is really not very useful. You can add the footings under your walls with a single click and keeping them on a sperate layer may be important too.

It all depends on how you go about designing things.

Drawn separately there is no problem getting your footing to show up with dashed lines.

Re: Complex Profile

Steve Jepson — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 04:23:06 GMT

By the way... I see that you have an M90. Very good machine I bet.

I have been using an M60 for several years now as my main work station. I hope you got the WUXGA LCD. 17" right?

I have a Dell 650 Precision Workstaion also but this little bugger does just fine and I can take it with me anywhere.

I have it hooked to a Dell 24 inch UltraSharp™ 2407FP Widescreen but it looks like crap compared to my laptop. I keep ArchiCAD on the big screen and my e-mail and other programs on the laptop screen.

Re: Complex Profile

Anonymous — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:49:34 GMT

I tried to replicate your problem and it worked perfectly regardless of where I placed the origin. Did you check that the two elements are intersecting exactly?

BTW I also find it more useful to place the foundation separately but it's a matter of choice.

Re: Complex Profile

Anonymous — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:47:49 GMT

Philip wrote:
I tried to replicate your problem and it worked perfectly regardless of where I placed the origin. Did you check that the two elements are intersecting exactly?

BTW I also find it more useful to place the foundation separately but it's a matter of choice.

I'm not sure what it is it only seems to do it with that wall. I made another one in a different file and it came out right. Then I copied it to the original file and it worked there. And I made a new one in that plan it also worked. Must be something I did in the first wall. They should be intersecting exactly I used the rectangular geometry.

Thank you for your time

Brian

Re: Complex Profile

Anonymous — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:56:51 GMT

Steve wrote:
By the way... I see that you have an M90. Very good machine I bet.

I have been using an M60 for several years now as my main work station. I hope you got the WUXGA LCD. 17" right?

I have a Dell 650 Precision Workstaion also but this little bugger does just fine and I can take it with me anywhere.

I have it hooked to a Dell 24 inch UltraSharp™ 2407FP Widescreen but it looks like crap compared to my laptop. I keep ArchiCAD on the big screen and my e-mail and other programs on the laptop screen.

Thank you for the info
I haven't had any problems with the M90. I thought I should get a good machine at least that would eliminate one variable in the learning of a new program. It does have the WUXGA LCD 17" and the NVIDIA Quadro FX 2500M 512MB OpenGL card.

Thanks again I guess i will get back to finding out what else I dont know about ArchiCAD

Brian

Re: Complex Profile

Link — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:15:49 GMT

It sounds to me like you may have missed the mark with the local origin in the profile editor. This is according to Graphisoft literature:

The generation of the Profile happens according to the following rules:

In case of Walls: if you are looking at Wall from its starting point toward its endpoint, and if you created the Wall using the Left Construction Method (i.e. the body of the Wall extends to the left side of the Reference Line) then the placed Profile wall will face the same direction as shown in the Custom Profile Editor. If you switch the wall’s Reference Line to the other side, or if you view it from its endpoint toward its starting point, you will see the vertically mirrored image of the Profile. The Local Origin of the Custom Profile will placed at the Wall insertion level (base height) as defined in the Wall Settings dialog.

It would probably be best to upload a module of these walls for closer inspection.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Complex Profile

Anonymous — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:16:36 GMT

Link wrote:
It sounds to me like you may have missed the mark with the local origin in the profile editor. This is according to Graphisoft literature:

The generation of the Profile happens according to the following rules:

In case of Walls: if you are looking at Wall from its starting point toward its endpoint, and if you created the Wall using the Left Construction Method (i.e. the body of the Wall extends to the left side of the Reference Line) then the placed Profile wall will face the same direction as shown in the Custom Profile Editor. If you switch the wall’s Reference Line to the other side, or if you view it from its endpoint toward its starting point, you will see the vertically mirrored image of the Profile. The Local Origin of the Custom Profile will placed at the Wall insertion level (base height) as defined in the Wall Settings dialog.

It would probably be best to upload a module of these walls for closer inspection.

Cheers,
Link.

I selected both walls with all layers on. Then File>External Content>Save Selection as Module. If I need to do something else please let me know

Thank you

Brian

Re: Complex Profile

__archiben — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:12:11 GMT

BAS - there's something strange with the geometry of that first wall. by moving the complex profile's origin (or actually moving the complex profile itself relative to the origin) it cleans up most of the junctions . . . also, there looked to be some duplicate stretch lines going on in there that possibly weren't helping.

but! there is always one junction that won't close properly. when selection highlit they display with some strange co-planar geometry . . .

anyways. a new profile seemed to work, no?

~/archiben

Re: Complex Profile

Jere — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:25:14 GMT

Ok, i got a little confused there. So when I'm drawing complex profiles, let's assume a wall for now, what direction and relationship should the profile have in reference to the reference point?

I've been drawing them with the exterior facing to the left and the interior facing to the right and haven't had any problems so far.

Re: Complex Profile

__archiben — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 21:41:21 GMT

Jere wrote:
Ok, i got a little confused there. So when I'm drawing complex profiles, let's assume a wall for now, what direction and relationship should the profile have in reference to the reference point?

the 'project' origin of the complex profile window is the point which follows the reference line of your wall/beam in the x, y, z co-ordinates that you specify. think of the rest of the profile as an extrusion along that path.

i don't believe that there is a hard and fast rule as to where to put it - it depends on the profile specifics . . . but what it highlighted in your case was that there was something wrong in the rest of the geometry in there . . . something that affected that extrusion.

you had duplicate stretch lines in there - probably not a problem - but what i forgot to check for was duplicate fills: if there are duplicate fills, archicad may be trying to extrude two identical geometries along the same path - that would also account for the crazy kind of co-planar highlighting effect i saw in the 3D window . . .

they're delicate i suppose. 'handle with care'

~/archiben

Re: Complex Profile

Link — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 22:18:39 GMT

Ben's right, there was a misaligned fill - which is a complex profile killer. The fill near the top right corner is out by .02 degrees. Drag that node on top of the other node and everything will be fine.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Complex Profile

Anonymous — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 23:26:42 GMT

Link wrote:
Ben's right, there was a misaligned fill - which is a complex profile killer. The fill near the top right corner is out by .02 degrees. Drag that node on top of the other node and everything will be fine.

Cheers,
Link.

~/archiben wrote:
you had duplicate stretch lines in there - probably not a problem - but what i forgot to check for was duplicate fills: if there are duplicate fills, archicad may be trying to extrude two identical geometries along the same path - that would also account for the crazy kind of co-planar highlighting effect i saw in the 3D window . . .

they're delicate i suppose. 'handle with care'

~/archiben

Thanks Ben & Link

I see the fill problem, Just Sloppy work. It works now. But I don't understand the duplicate stretch lines. I chose line tool & selected all. It says there are 6. The 2 with the yellow arrow are so only the block wall will stretch not the footer. I guess it should be on the other side of the brick fill so that doesn't stretch. And the ones with the red arrow are the opening lines. Unless I don't need them both.

Thank You again for your help!!

Brian

Re: Complex Profile

Link — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 05:24:48 GMT

Your 6 lines consist of two vertical stretch lines, two horizontal stretch lines (and yes I would move it inside the brick), and two opening reference lines (one for each side of the wall). If you delete an opening reference line, just the one will be used no matter what side of the wall you inserted the window or door into.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Complex Profile

Anonymous — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 15:30:41 GMT

Link

Thank you for your help. So there are no duplicate stretch lines?

Brian

Re: Complex Profile

Link — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:36:54 GMT

No duplicate stretch lines AFAICS.

Cheers,
Link.