topic Re: Do the Mark-Up Tools work? in Modeling

Do the Mark-Up Tools work?

Laura Yanoviak — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:54:17 GMT

The tools within the Mark-Up palette remain grayed-out regardless of active tool or selection -- is it broken?

Re: Do the Mark-Up Tools work?

Laura Yanoviak — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:59:48 GMT

OK -- looks like the "Show Mark-Up items" box needs to be checked within the Model View Options Dialog.

EDIT: The AC10 Help refers to the View > On-Screen View Options which is incorrect.

Re: Do the Mark-Up Tools work?

Link — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:59:40 GMT

You answering your own questions now Laura?

Seriously, it will be interesting to see what you think of the Mark-up tool. I think it is an underutlized and subsequently undersupported tool, with limited reliability. Hopefully it is working better these days.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Do the Mark-Up Tools work?

Anonymous — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:17:23 GMT

I have very good experience with this tool, if I use for minutes of meeting with the client.
I mark the check point with marker tool, you can save it with date, and you can confirm this point.
Please use it

Re: Do the Mark-Up Tools work?

Laura Yanoviak — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:49:18 GMT

Link wrote:
...it will be interesting to see what you think of the Mark-up tool. I think it is an underutlized and subsequently undersupported tool, with limited reliability. Hopefully it is working better these days.

Well, investigating this tool has been on my "To Do" list for a while, and I'm finally getting around to it for tomorrow's BUG (BIM Users' Group) Meeting. Deciphering the ArchiCAD Help on the subject has been challenging -- this would be a great topic for an ArchiWiki tutorial.

I think this could be a very handy tool for some of our larger project teams.

Re: Do the Mark-Up Tools work?

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:54:16 GMT

I had not spent much time with the mark-up palette until recently because I dislike the interface so much.

However, I came across this on page 385 of the AC 11 US (INT too?) PDF reference guide a few weeks ago, and have to say that this worked well for me last week trying different alternative designs:

(c) wrote:
Version Management with Mark-Up

The Mark-up tool can also be used to compare several design
proposals to each other. In this scenario, architects create corrections
elements organized in Mark-Up entries. Each Mark-up entry
represents a version. To view one proposal, the corresponding
Mark-up entry has to be set visible, while the other entries have to be
hidden. When the architect is ready to present the different ideas, he
or she assigns all the mark-up entries to the senior architect who is in
control of the project. The project leader still does not have to
reserve workspace. He or she signs in as Mark-Up user and gets the
Mark-Up entries assigned to him/her. After the final decision is
made, the project leader changes the style of the chosen version to
“approved” and assigns the entry back to the teammate who created
that. The teammate can turn the approved set into final elements. The
discarded versions can be deleted or marked as “rejected” and kept as
hidden mark-up entries for later use.

You can easily convert existing building elements into mark-up elements, controled by the markup group visibility, and vice versa.

Among the bigger negatives are that each mark-up 'group' is for a particular story, so multi-story revisions require multiple groups. Also, in reviewing design alternatives, the materials of the displayed markup elements do not display. Rather, the assigned mark-up color is shown. So, it is a little tough to see an accurate OpenGL representation of the design alternatives.

But, hey, its 'free'/included in the package. 😉

Karl

Re: Do the Mark-Up Tools work?

Anonymous — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:56:41 GMT

I've just been exploring this tool for use in creating different plan options within one shell. I ran into a few problems - here are the probelms I ran into that I posted in the 'alternate schemes' thread:

Problems:
1. Biggest problem - doors and windows don't become part of the mark-up. When I try to place them, I get an error sound and the door/window is placed in the plan, but not as part of the mark-up. I'm guessing I'm doing something wrong, but what??

2. Some entries auto-update when I turn them on and off and with others I have to double click the viewpoint to get it to update. This may also be something I'm doing wrong, but I'm not sure what yet.

Any ideas what's going wrong?

Re: Do the Mark-Up Tools work?

Anonymous — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:02:18 GMT

I also found that it would be really nice if mark-up items could be set to their orginal pens/colors as well as the single mark-up pen (just like trace does)

The other problem I ran into is that walls in different mark-ups clean up with each other so you end up with gaps in walls where other walls (that are turned off) intersect them. The only solution I can think of is to create a different wall layer for each mark-up.

Re: Do the Mark-Up Tools work?

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:06:30 GMT

Chris wrote:
1. Biggest problem - doors and windows don't become part of the mark-up. When I try to place them, I get an error sound and the door/window is placed in the plan, but not as part of the mark-up. I'm guessing I'm doing something wrong, but what??

This looks like a bug to me. I'll report if nobody else has already?

Here's what I did to replicate what you observed:
- drew two walls in plan
- with mark-up tools active, created a new mark-up group, selected one wall, and added it to the group
- with door tool, placed a door in each wall
- turned mark-up group visibility off - mark-up wall is gone, but the door is left orphaned on the plan (!). This has to be a bug, as AC has no method for doors/windows to ever be displayed as orphans.
- created another mark-up entry and added the other wall to that group. Turned off visibility for that mark-up entry and the wall AND door became invisible (correct)

So, the workaround seems to be to use the Mark-Up Tools dialog to temporarily make the wall NOT part of a mark-up entry/group, place the door, and then select the wall and add it back to the group.

Sure seems like this has to be a bug.

Comments? I'll submit a bug report, unless someone else believes this is proper behavior or has already sent in the report.

Karl

Re: Do the Mark-Up Tools work?

Laura Yanoviak — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:17:05 GMT

Does anyone know what the

special redlining objects provided in the ArchiCAD Library

are?

Re: Do the Mark-Up Tools work?

Laura Yanoviak — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:57:32 GMT

Link wrote:
I think it is an underutlized and subsequently undersupported tool...

Well, it certainly doesn't help that the AC Help Menu doesn't help -- it seems to be full of typos/information from past releases (that has since changed).

Examples:

Mark-Up Entries are view-specific.

Shouldn't this read "Viewpoint-specific"? For example, it seems that I can have the same Mark-Ups in multiple floor plan Views, just not multiple Stories.

In Teamwork, when signed into Mark-Up mode,

you cannot create, edit or delete any elements, only mark them or add corrections.

By "mark them" does it mean "Highlight". By "add corrections" does it mean add comments via the "Start/Stop Corrections" toggle (as opposed to the "Turn into Corrections" option)???

Re: Do the Mark-Up Tools work?

Anonymous — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:46:50 GMT

Karl wrote:
....
Sure seems like this has to be a bug.

Comments? I'll submit a bug report, unless someone else believes this is proper behavior or has already sent in the report.

Karl

Good catch - I hadn't thought of trying the steps you described, but I just did and got the same result. At least there is a work-around but sure looks like a bug. Can't imagine how it would be proper behavior

Re: Do the Mark-Up Tools work?

Anonymous — Wed, 08 Sep 2010 09:32:55 GMT

It's useless until will be interconnected with view sets. It's good in design process but why can be used in presentation / printing process together with viewset?

Re: Do the Mark-Up Tools work?

Link — Tue, 07 Dec 2010 01:34:04 GMT

Catalin wrote:
It's useless until will be interconnected with view sets. It's good in design process but why can be used in presentation / printing process together with viewset?

It seems like this is no longer an issue, as it is now part of the model view option combinations?

I'm reviewing this tool yet again, to use as part of our regular project reviews. Does anyone know why the first Mark-Up Style (by default called 'Multiple Mark-Up Conflict', in the AUS template at least) is not available as a style when creating a new mark-up entry?

Is it used elsewhere? It can't be deleted, so I guess it must be hard-coded and used internally?

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Do the Mark-Up Tools work?

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 07 Dec 2010 18:47:53 GMT

According to the Help file:

User Interface Reference > Dialog Boxes > Mark-Up Styles Dialog Box

Multiple Mark-Up Conflict: automatic style which cannot be manually selected for Mark-Up Entries. It is used by ArchiCAD to indicate that more than one Mark-Up Entry was used to highlight the elements that appear with this color. This style cannot be deleted.

Re: Do the Mark-Up Tools work?

Link — Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:54:55 GMT

Thanks Laszlo!

Not sure how I missed it, but it makes sense, even though I which there were no hard-coded attributes in ArchiCAD. If you call Mark-up styles attributes, of course!

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Do the Mark-Up Tools work?

Anonymous — Thu, 18 Apr 2013 23:09:16 GMT

I have the same problen in archicad 14, doors and windows don't become part of the mark-up. Solution??? please

Karl wrote:
Chris wrote:
1. Biggest problem - doors and windows don't become part of the mark-up. When I try to place them, I get an error sound and the door/window is placed in the plan, but not as part of the mark-up. I'm guessing I'm doing something wrong, but what??
This looks like a bug to me. I'll report if nobody else has already?

Here's what I did to replicate what you observed:
- drew two walls in plan
- with mark-up tools active, created a new mark-up group, selected one wall, and added it to the group
- with door tool, placed a door in each wall
- turned mark-up group visibility off - mark-up wall is gone, but the door is left orphaned on the plan (!). This has to be a bug, as AC has no method for doors/windows to ever be displayed as orphans.
- created another mark-up entry and added the other wall to that group. Turned off visibility for that mark-up entry and the wall AND door became invisible (correct)

So, the workaround seems to be to use the Mark-Up Tools dialog to temporarily make the wall NOT part of a mark-up entry/group, place the door, and then select the wall and add it back to the group.

Sure seems like this has to be a bug.

Comments? I'll submit a bug report, unless someone else believes this is proper behavior or has already sent in the report.

Karl