topic Re: Stairs - Reversal of Fortune in Modeling

Stairs - Reversal of Fortune

lagodue — Thu, 25 May 2023 15:03:32 GMT

Stairs and their display options work nicely in plan from the lower level of the stairs. If I go up one story, I would like this same stair to show up with direction of travel arrow and riser lines reversed. Is this possible? or does this go to Wish List?

Re: Stairs - Reversal of Fortune

__archiben — Sun, 26 Jun 2005 02:39:41 GMT

lagodue wrote:
Stairs and their display options work nicely in plan from the lower level of the stairs. If I go up one story, I would like this same stair to show up with direction of travel arrow and riser lines reversed. Is this possible? or does this go to Wish List?

you want the arrow to point 'down'? isn't that a reversal of graphical conventions rather than a reversal of fortune?

~/archiben

Re: Stairs - Reversal of Fortune

Stress Co_ — Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:02:43 GMT

Work-a-round: Turn off the "Auto arrows" and draw it w/ 2D lines. Archicad stairs won't do it ... as far as I know........

Or get Cigraph's Archistair.

Re: Stairs - Reversal of Fortune

lagodue — Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:05:45 GMT

Ben behests:
<<you want the arrow to point 'down'? isn't that a reversal of graphical conventions rather than a reversal of fortune?
>>

I like to see the arrow indicating direction of travel from the floor you are currently displaying. First floor plan shows the word "UP" and arrow going up. Second floor plan says "DOWN" and arrow showing down direction.

I like the workaround of not displaying the arrow and drawing in as 2D lines.

Wishlist item would be to include this as a parameter setting.

Re: Stairs - Reversal of Fortune

Anonymous — Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:48:08 GMT

I see an argument about draughting conventions brewing here. The school I went to says "always show arrows pointing up". There are arguments for and against this, ofcourse, but for me this is the rule I follow.
It would be good, though, for others who see it differently to have the ability to do it wrong!

Re: Stairs - Reversal of Fortune

lagodue — Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:51:04 GMT

Stuart stipulates "always show arrows pointing up"

I would agree in those cases where the direction of travel is the same way the arrow is pointing. I find a bit of a conceptual disconnect where the direction of travel is down, and the note "DOWN" appears next to the stair, but the arrow is pointing opposite to actual movement.

Re: Stairs - Reversal of Fortune

Anonymous — Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:24:12 GMT

If the arrow is always pointing up you don't need words 'cos the arrow is always pointing up.

Re: Stairs - Reversal of Fortune

__archiben — Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:35:07 GMT

s2art wrote:
If the arrow is always pointing up you don't need words 'cos the arrow is always pointing up.

exactly!

~/archiben

Re: Stairs - Reversal of Fortune

Anonymous — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 08:44:49 GMT

Being a denizen of the past, I follow the convention that I was taught by my mentor: arrows on stairs should indicate the direction of travel relative to the floor being viewed in the plan. This seems to me to be the most logical approach, and, for my money, seems to be the clearest solution.

Re: Stairs - Reversal of Fortune

lagodue — Wed, 29 Jun 2005 02:48:41 GMT

Mike meticulates <<arrows on stairs should indicate the direction of travel relative to the floor being viewed in the plan. This seems to me to be the most logical approach, and, for my money, seems to be the clearest solution.>>

Finally, a voice of reason! Now, when will we have the stair parameter to do this? Hey G'soft, are you listening? There are at least two of us who want this!

Re: Stairs - Reversal of Fortune

__archiben — Wed, 29 Jun 2005 03:07:49 GMT

lagodue wrote:
Finally, a voice of reason! Now, when will we have the stair parameter to do this? Hey G'soft, are you listening? There are at least two of us who want this!

as far as i recall s2art wasn't against the idea of letting you "do it wrong". simply reverse the direction of the arrow in the GDL script when the story to be displayed is above the home story i guess. i'm a bit of a GDL amateur, but i'm sure there's a few people on here that could do the job in a matter of minutes . . .

Mike meticulates

did you eat a thesaurus or something? it'll give you indigestion . . .

~/archiben

Re: Stairs - Reversal of Fortune

Richard Morrison — Wed, 29 Jun 2005 03:10:49 GMT

lagodue,

If I'm following you correctly, the GS stairs already do what you're trying to do. I have a stair placed on the first floor with an arrow pointing up. If I go to the second floor, the note says DN and is pointing in the down direction. Could it have something to do with "arrow UP/DOWN" parameter? (Should be ON)

I don't get the risers reversing thing you want, though. They should show in the same spot regardless of which floor you view them from.

Re: Stairs - Reversal of Fortune

Vitruvius — Wed, 29 Jun 2005 04:22:42 GMT

I think the convention is:

US/Canada - the arrows point in the direction of travel from the floor you're on. And you need to note 'up' & 'down'

International - the arrow always points you in the upwards direction and there is no need to note anything. I've ditched my NA conventions in favour of this simple convention.

Anyway, they're both correct so pick your poison!

Cheers