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Who the hell is using LINUX in Architecture?

Rob — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:19:26 GMT

Ok,
I have had enough of talking about LINUX, free UNIX etc.
Personally I have never seen using LINUX in an architectural practice...
This poll is to kind of compare apples with apples in terms of professions, try to be honest fellos...
if you selected 'Other' please specify.

People who are not interested in having AC for LINUX please do not vote in this poll.

Thank you

Re: Who the hell is using LINUX in Architecture?

Anonymous — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:28:08 GMT

No one! Because there are no architectural applications for Linux!

But there are many who want to migtrate to Luinux, forget Windows and find Mac too expensive! I am one of them!

Re: Who the hell is using LINUX in Architecture?

Rob — Tue, 07 Aug 2007 02:54:52 GMT

ANYONE Before you cast your vote please consider this.

But there are many who want to migtrate to Luinux, forget Windows and find Mac too expensive! I am one of them!

well, this is a very hypothetical question because I am not sure if somebody could actually break down the cost for staff training (new software, procedures etc), IT service (virus control, drivers and hardware set up, compatibility issues in regards to file flow from/to either Mac or Win platforms), reliability of particular LINUX clone/installation, availability of specific software (mind you there is more software than MS office and AC in an office eg. bespoke accounting, timesheets, costing, scheduling, graphic design, vizualisation and god knows what software).
Imagine just a medium size office (up to 20 people) with all this stuff installed on their machines plus office manuals and procedures, archiving, back-uping, networking and switching to new accounting system (in this case say hello to tax officers and almost inevitably good-bye to your money).....

If you think it would be still feasible for you to get Linux go ahead...

Re: Who the hell is using LINUX in Architecture?

Anonymous — Tue, 07 Aug 2007 06:10:22 GMT

In Sweden there are alot of companies (not architectural) that have change to Linux because more and more software convert to WWW-platform and because of that you don't need expensive and slow software like Windows.
And the only thing I use that need Windows is ArchiCad and Cubase (at home), all the others works on Linux.
But maybe the big conversation from Windows .EXE software to platform indepentend WWW software isn't that big in the rest of the world like here in Sweden?

Re: Who the hell is using LINUX in Architecture?

Anonymous — Tue, 07 Aug 2007 07:49:10 GMT

Rob, a 20 people office is a very big one in Bulgaria!

Besides, here most ot the servers run under Linux or Unix, so it will actually be easier to migrate!

There are very few viruses for Linux, compared to Windows, so actually it is not a big problem. I use outside IT support for taking care of my antivirus software at the moment so nothing will change.

Windows is remarcably unstable so the cost for IT support will decrease dramatically once the machines are configured at the beginning. And using free operating system will provide some money for this support too!

The drivers problem is much greater with Vista, so nothing new! 😉

Accounting is usually done by outside firms and I am a bit ashamed to say that in Bulgaria the state tax offices still work on DOS!

It is the availability of specific software which is the biggest trouble. All I need to migrate to Linux is AC, Photoshop and some decent rendering software, preferably VRay compatible.

Re: Who the hell is using LINUX in Architecture?

Brad Elliott — Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:21:47 GMT

I just want to know how you got hell past the censors. Anything else that is even possibly off color gets whacked and hell gets through? Not that I'm complaining.

Re: Who the hell is using LINUX in Architecture?

Anonymous — Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:58:26 GMT

But you're not allowed to say " adult ". (that was a d u l t )

Re: Who the hell is using LINUX in Architecture?

Anonymous — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:27:39 GMT

Hi all i vote for solo architect. I work some time with my father(61 y.o.), he working in old way like at paper in acad. I don't think that he can or want switch his workplace to linux in any situation But also he don't want to switch to ArchiCAD... it is mentality... But if GS want look to future(looking on more young people) i think linux version should be. How long old architects will work... How many they are? I almost agree that it is hard to any company switch from windows to linux(also hard switch from drags to normal life 😉 all)...
it don't look so hard with osx>linux

imho windows became outdated OS... they almost lost their domination position... and now i didn't see any more or less good reason to maintain it... GS look like looser by supporting it (all this is imho of cause)
You playing in the autodesk market... you lost...

All time I hear that GS has small business... You want to grow or not? Guys are you crazy?

I sagest past loosers with loosers and make burst to future 😉

of cause I kidding...

But as it is talked in Odessa - in every joke only part of joke...

PS I want add some about pro of linux OS... You know company Silicon graphics? They stop produce their own OS - IRIX... and sagest to their customers switch to linux.. New systems deliver with linux, sun go open source with solarise, BSD - freeBSD, where is SCO with help of microsoft's money?
more and more hardware manufacturers support linux OS
More and more computer manufacturers support linux(DELL. lenovo. Acer)
More and more smartphone manufacturers support linux...

I don't now any hardware that didn't work with linux... even wo manufacture support... Intuos Graphire for example...

For now I think that can be talken that it is more or less equal hardware support for XP and Linux

Re: Who the hell is using LINUX in Architecture?

Rob — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 08:48:59 GMT

just recording the status and some statistics to the date 12.08.2007

total votes:9 (solo-2,employee-3,academic-1,IT-1,arch.technician-2)
total visits:663
total forum members to date:15345

theoretically: 0.058% AC talkers would like to have AC for LINUX.

Re: Who the hell is using LINUX in Architecture?

Anonymous — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:25:24 GMT

Hi Rob

theoretically: 0.058% AC talkers would like to have AC for LINUX

You see what u want

You funny guy... are you can canulate at all? How can you work in architectural sphere w/o principle ariphmethic knowlage

You building still alive? (kidding)

OK I am visit this topic at least 15 times... So it much more % didn't U think so... U have any statistic about unique ip's

But that doesn't metter... if u try calculate 9 votes in 663 visits u have more then 1% definatly because 1% of 100 is 1 then 1% of 600 is 6
And if u exactly calculate it will be approx 1.36%

[THE END]

Re: Who the hell is using LINUX in Architecture?

Rob — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:20:55 GMT

mate,
read it properly and do not jump into quick conclusions...it's based on the number of AC talkers (15345)

Re: Who the hell is using LINUX in Architecture?

Anonymous — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:02:56 GMT

"Who the hell is using" .... hmm, don't know, let say ... honey on lettuce? The answer is: nobody, until you tell them, and then, it is love for connesseurs.

Re: Who the hell is using LINUX in Architecture?

Anonymous — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:47:11 GMT

hi Rob.
Most of all in my post is joke... Of cause I understand what you mean...
But problem of how you tricky calculate is actual...
I told earlier that I didn't think that GS make Linux version...
Decision accepted...
And GS can only justify it

So whatever arguments we would advance here result will be the same...

All this is flood... smile

Re: Who the hell is using LINUX in Architecture?

James Murray — Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:26:52 GMT

Thank you for your good work on this, Rob.

I move that we change the "Example" in the the forum heading to, "Should Archicad be on a 12-month release cycle?"

If that question popped up over and over again, it might actually reveal something about how users view the program in their workflow over the long term, rather than this hypothetical micro-niche idea that, trust me, is not on GS's scope and never will be, ever.

Re: Who the hell is using LINUX in Architecture?

Anonymous — Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:43:58 GMT

We have some american style joke about such decisions...
If it will be translated to english it approximately will be:
The problems of indians is don't worring Sheriff...
I'm not a translater and I'm sorry for my poor english, I could not protect such idea in whole buity of mine language that I know...
So you can only said such:
We should not do... We don't want... We can't And so on...
from my poor knowlage it (AFAIU I repeat) not so hard as you tald about... GS is lazy... They don't want to move there ass from chair... And make step in future...
I can understand JM from US who protect some "american wonder" by Stieve&Bill But I don't understand GS in any case... You europeans why you take such position? We (europeans) have really good OS as Linux AFAIU the french government is offissially support Linux in Mandriva face... EU is talked about using OS Linux as primary OS... I'm sorry for You (GS) that you sell your sole to US... You lost your historical proud...
PS I'm sorry If I use some words that have more than one sence. I'm have really poor english... I don't want to insult(оскорбить) any person or nation... in any case
All that I said is only my own opinion (IMHO)...

Re: Who the hell is using LINUX in Architecture?

Rob — Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:25:28 GMT

Thank you for your good work on this, Rob.

oh, I have not heard such kind words of appreciation for a long time...

this hypothetical micro-niche idea that, trust me, is not on GS's scope and never will be, ever

I know, however my minuscule ideas attempt to finally bury this topic for good by either agitating (I see it works) or provoking all 15 (fifteen) potential users of linuxAC to show up and face to a ratio like 0.05% of probability that someone would get a flying fuck about porting whole AC circus to Linux.

It sounds very contradictory so in case of any liability for posting this I can not be held liable unless I could.

Re: Who the hell is using LINUX in Architecture?

Rod Jurich — Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:28:21 GMT

James wrote:
/....I move that we change the "Example" in the the forum heading to, "Should Archicad be on a 12-month release cycle?"/.....

I'll second that, definitely

Re: Who the hell is using LINUX in Architecture?

Anonymous — Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:40:26 GMT

Hey folks,

I voted for "other".

I left IT for rehabbing/building and I have to say I think _some_ mainline architectural CAD company is going to wake up and and realize that there is a market as large as OSX, and growing at a faster rate, that is a green field for this category of software.

Mac folks, slow your roll, I know your numbers are growing also (and this pleases me greatly), the main reason both platforms are growing is the continued poor quality (among other things) of Windows.

I have been following IT news _very_ closely for the past decade, and there is a sea change afoot. The Windows client monopoly has started to bleed, you can easily read about the Mac numbers increase because every switch is logged as a sale, but not so with Linux.

Of the numerous server and client Linux installs I have done, not one has ever been counted in any of the OS percentage breakdowns. This is the case with Linux, only a small percentage are actual sales and thus counted.

You can now read about _very_ large Linux _client_ deployments, in the tens and even hundreds of thousands. Anyone who says Linux will never be an appreciable desktop market simply has not been paying attention.

I am currently running Chief Architect and sketchup on Windows, on top of virtualbox, on top of Linux. I would drop CA in a heartbeat for a native Linux CAD package that was as 3D centric as CA is and AC seems to be.

Honestly I think Google is going cross the line first with a Linux port, Autocad as the market leader (and wired to the tits with MS dependent tech) will be last I suspect.

If folks want to take the position that AC simply doesn't have the resources to support a third platform, that argument at least has some legs.

But if the argument is that Linux will never be a viable desktop platform, bzzzzt, I'm sorry wrong answer.

It already exceeds OSX, maybe not in particular design fields, yet, but it is only a matter time.

It's just simple economics.

Re: Who the hell is using LINUX in Architecture?

Rob — Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:30:38 GMT

I am currently running Chief Architect and sketchup on Windows, on top of virtualbox, on top of Linux.

I am sorry mate but I would have to be off my tits on a tart fuel to do this... it is so far from the commercial reality as it could be.

If folks want to take the position that AC simply doesn't have the resources to support a third platform, that argument at least has some legs.

yep...

But if the argument is that Linux will never be a viable desktop platform, bzzzzt, I'm sorry wrong answer.

bzzzzt, I'm sorry wrong forum... virtually nobody uses it in the area of arch., therefore most of us are not interested in further features... thus the topic name: Who the hell is using LINUX in Architecture?.

Re: Who the hell is using LINUX in Architecture?

Anonymous — Mon, 03 Sep 2007 13:31:11 GMT

I am currently running Chief Architect and sketchup on Windows, on top of virtualbox, on top of Linux.

I am sorry mate but I would have to be off my tits on a tart fuel to do this... it is so far from the commercial reality as it could be.

Yea, seems like the long way around, but actually once you factor in the additional RAM overhead virtualized XP is _alot_ easier to maintain. If Windows becomes corrupted for whatever reason it takes all of 10 seconds to roll back to a good snapshot, and a windows BSOD doesn't take down your whole work environment. As far as client virtualization goes you will increasingly see more and more of it, it has some major pluses. It is, imo, a better route than WINE/codeweavers or Windows on bare metal.

If folks want to take the position that AC simply doesn't have the resources to support a third platform, that argument at least has some legs.
yep...

If I had a week in the Bahamas for every vendor that _used_ to say Linux was not a platform that was important to them and now port to it...

But if the argument is that Linux will never be a viable desktop platform, bzzzzt, I'm sorry wrong answer.

bzzzzt, I'm sorry wrong forum... virtually nobody uses it in the area of arch., therefore most of us are not interested in further features... thus the topic name: Who the hell is using LINUX in Architecture?.

Hunh? wrong forum? is this whole thread rhetorical? Of course most don't do architecture work on Linux, there are few mainline CAD applications for it.

"therefore most of us are not interested in further features..." you are refering to Linux here? AC on linux as a further feature? You lost me a little with that last paragraph.

The thread asked who was doing CAD work on Linux, I gave you an example, or were you just looking for posts that confirm your conclusion?