topic Re: AC12+ Question in Modeling

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Anonymous — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:06:15 GMT

Hello,
Does anyone think GS might include/be working towards incorporating add-ons such as MaxonForm or Objective into future releases?
I have been using AC for about 4 years now and am relatively happy with the software, I do however wish it was easier to model new objects/elements without requiring any add-ons.
Thanks.

Re: AC12+ Question

Anonymous — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:14:41 GMT

Personally would like to see Objective to stay out of hands of GS. We need one reliable working corner stone ALL TIMES for ArchiCad!
Joseph

Re: AC12+ Question

Rod Jurich — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:22:55 GMT

Joseph wrote:
Personally would like to see Objective to stay out of hands of GS. We need one reliable working corner stone ALL TIMES for ArchiCad!
Joseph

Absolutely!!

Though GS and other 3rd party developers could/should take advice from Ralph.

OBJECTiVE=Reliability

Re: AC12+ Question

Thomas Holm — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:22:50 GMT

Archicad and Maxonform have the same owner. We COULD ask for better integration!

Re: AC12+ Question

Bricklyne Clarence — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:00:03 GMT

Sorry to bring up this thread again, but this seemed the most appropriate place to bring this up.

So the other side just released the whitepaper for their 2009 version, .....

http://discussion.autodesk.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/133-643494-5846818-175973/revitarch09_broch-detail_us_final.pdf

....and what caught my eye the most was the Swept Blend tool. It seems like they were stung into improving their modeling toolset by AC's Complex Profile tools and Maxonform connections in its recent versions. And while I would be wary of the fact that they only released conceptual sketchy images of what this tool can produce in that whitepaper, one has to wonder what the response from the Graphisoft peeps will be.

I can only imagine that it is probably ( no, definitely) too late to do anything for AC12 if they haven't already done so, but I would hope that these kinds of modeling improvements by the REvit people impress upon GS just how important modeling flexibility and versatility is in design today, with NURB-like tools like these. And I mean INTEGRATED modeling improvements and not cobbled third-part solutions that don't quite speak the same language as ArchiCAD.

Graphisoft, assuming you already missed the boat with v12 ( which is usually a safe assumption with you guys), take note for version 13 next year.

Re: AC12+ Question

Bricklyne Clarence — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:23:58 GMT

....oh and I nearly forgot. Nice to see that they've also "borrowed" features from their other softwares (**coughcough**Maya**coughcough**) such as the so-called Autodesk 3D UI, as well as finally co-opting Mental Ray into Revit.

Update to Lightworks anyone? Of course GS could easily and effectively respond to that by licensing a Vray bridge or even hiring Asgvis to write them a Vray bridge ala the Rhino and Sketchup ( or even the C4D one), but chances are they wouldn't. I mean they would first have to improve ArchiCAD's texture mapping controls and lighting tools, and somehow I doubt any of that's going to happen any time soon.

.....still, a Vray add-on inside ArchiCAD ( like the Maxwell one), would be sweet. I mean talk about One-Upmanship 101. Heck I would even settle for a Fryrender bridge.

sigh....

Re: AC12+ Question

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:14:34 GMT

I wonder why GS is does not publish such previews before releasing the software.
Judging from previous versions i dont expect much

Re: AC12+ Question

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:26:33 GMT

One of the other issues i see with AC is the sharing of the 3D info - although this issue is to do with other consultants using compatable software, Autodesk appear to be going in the right direction by having Revit Structure and Revit MEP. Does anyone know how well these all work together?

On another note, my office currently has 2 AC and 3 VW! The VW guys like what we do in AC but there is talk about Revit. When i saw it working a year or so ago it looked like an old version of AC and they still had dwg export issues. One of our main problems is clients requesting we work in Autocad! - However, I am sure this is just an export issue that can be sorted within the translator. Something i am currently looking at..

Thoughts please..

Re: AC12+ Question

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:08:46 GMT

I just posted recently on this subject in another section:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=112072&highlight=#112072

Nemeschek & Graphisoft really need to address what they are doing so that users can have comfort in continuing with ArchiCAD. Faced with a choice I'm not sure anymore I'd be remaining with ArchiCAD....and I am a long time user of AC...

Your quandry with VW and AC is a classic. What is their future? GS skirt around the issue by releasing an AC lite version.....IMHO that is not an example of positive thinking...but rather clouds the issue. Surely they should be looking at positive aquistions and developments rather than adding more versions that add little more than confusion...

I recently saw a survey (via a link in BD online) of practices, and that showed a majority still use AutoCAD. Revit was significantly ahead of ArchiCAD. A few years ago I thought that if ever GS had a chance it was now - as Autodesk seek to transfer AutoCAD users over to Revit.
If GS don't respond soon, the rest will be history...as they say...

Re: AC12+ Question

Anonymous — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:19:02 GMT

We had a guy show us the latest version of Revit the other day.. had some nice features but didnt look as slick as AC... def going in the right direction tho.

Autodesk are really pusing Revit and you can now get Revit with Full Autocad for less than the price of Autocad alone!! That means Revit is basically free - I believe they're succesfully winning over a huge percentage of the industry in the UK using this tactic. They're marketing it in a way that allows you to migrate to BIM at your own pace.

As a relatively happy AC user for about 5 years now it is sad to see it falling behined its nearest competitor...IMHO Graphisoft need to come up with the goods in V12.. and also address the marketing strategy..

ps. I wish GS would update this website more often... its like they dont care anymore,,, lets hope they're all too busy working on next release!

Re: AC12+ Question

Anonymous — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:29:04 GMT

I believe they're succesfully winning over a huge percentage of the industry in the UK using this tactic. They're marketing it in a way that allows you to migrate to BIM at your own pace.

Matthew Lohden made a comparison between the two softwares in Innsbruck (ARCHICAD Winter School). Seems that except for the 3D model where Revit is able to compete with ARCHICAD, if you use it you still need a 2D software to finish the job ! Is that real BIM ?

Re: AC12+ Question

Chadwick — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:53:30 GMT

I adequately documented my 2D drawings in both ArchiCAD and Revit, and for the record I never had to take the model out to AutoCAD for touch-ups in either. Don't let the software limit your abilities.

Re: AC12+ Question

Anonymous — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:56:58 GMT

I would agree - we do all our 2D enhancements in ArchiCad otherwise whats the point.. my comment was about the migration process from a 2D system.. Autodesk are allowing firms to take up BIM at their own pace by offering Revit at a very reasonable price.

Re: AC12+ Question

Anonymous — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:02:53 GMT

here are some samples of revit 2009 images slowly coming out of there closet. i hope GS is looking and listening

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Anonymous — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:03:55 GMT

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Anonymous — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:04:48 GMT

Re: AC12+ Question

Anonymous — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:06:20 GMT

mental ray rendering

Re: AC12+ Question

Anonymous — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:29:17 GMT

wow , with artlantis receiving a big update and revit the mental ray rendering engine, lets hope that GS are going to release more of the lightworks goodies on us in version 12.

Let look forward to 12 in May hopefully.

Re: AC12+ Question

Anonymous — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:59:38 GMT

I'm going to have to disagree. I'm not against improving lightworks etc... but I certainly hope it isn't the focus of improvements for AC12.

Visualization tasks make up only a small portion of my overall workload and usually only to present early concept and development stages of the project.

I'd be much happier to find that future releases of AC take advantage of direction that the hardware industry is taking us - which is multi-processor computing and multi-touch sensitive interfaces.

Re: AC12+ Question

Dwight — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:14:00 GMT

Dom wrote:
I'm going to have to disagree. I'm not against improving lightworks etc... but I certainly hope it isn't the focus of improvements for AC12.

Visualization tasks make up only a small portion of my overall workload and usually only to present early concept and development stages of the project.

I'd be much happier to find that future releases of AC take advantage of direction that the hardware industry is taking us - which is multi-processor computing and multi-touch sensitive interfaces.

I haven't see any information on Archicad 12, but I will not be betting on there being dramatic improvements to the LightWorks engine. In fact, I am reminded of a powerful quote from Eugene J McCarthy that I distort for my own nefarious purpose:

"This is, I say, the time for all good Archicad users not to stick with that loser-in-the-hands-of-Graphisoft LightWorks, but to benefit from the aid of the latest Artlantis with its improved speed and memory use, expanded features and simplified interface."