topic Re: ZONE ISSUE - V.16 in Modeling

ZONE ISSUE - V.16

Anonymous — Wed, 24 May 2023 10:50:43 GMT

I can't get the inner edge method of zone placement to work. It keeps telling me there is no closed polyline around the point. If I just go draw a room out in space using the rectangular geometry method I can place a zone using the inner edge method so it doesn't seem like its the zone tool.

All the walls in my plan appear to be resolved into each other properly, they all have the same top and bottoms, no apparent gaps between walls... any advice? I really do not want to have to do every zone in this building with the manual method.

Re: ZONE ISSUE - V.16

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 08 Feb 2013 18:58:55 GMT

Can you show a screenshot on which the Reference Lines of Wall are visible?

Also, it is possible that you have Walls on top of each other (like occupying the same space)?

Re: ZONE ISSUE - V.16

Anonymous — Fri, 08 Feb 2013 21:39:51 GMT

Attached is a screen shot with wall reference lines. I do not think I have walls over walls. Possibly in one corner I have a wall over a wall where there is a mezanine situation, but this problem is in every part of the model.

Thanks.

Re: ZONE ISSUE - V.16

David Maudlin — Sat, 09 Feb 2013 14:40:14 GMT

E Mickey P:

One thing to check: under Wall Settings > Listing and Labeling > Relation to Zones:.

David

Re: ZONE ISSUE - V.16

Anonymous — Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:18:25 GMT

Good call. I've checked and the walls are all marked as "zone boundary" in this setting. After paying closer attention to the error message (attached) I think it has something to do with renovation filters. But I've looked there and don't see a setting that would solve the issue.

Re: ZONE ISSUE - V.16

Laszlo Nagy — Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:36:15 GMT

Check this page in the Help file. It may contain the answer to your situation:

http://help.graphisoft.com/ac16_help_INT/Files/wwhelp/wwhimpl/js/html/wwhelp.htm#href=03_Virtual%20Building.06.403.html#1210840

After some testing here is what I see:
If you bring up the Renovation Palette you can set the Reno Filter for the Zone element to be created. Then when placing the Zone, the following apply:

If the Zone is set to "Existing" only elements with "Existing" status will be recognized as Zone Bundaries.
If the Zone is set to "To be Demolished" only elements with "Existing" or "To be Demolished" status will be recognized as Zone Bundaries.
If the Zone is set to "New" only elements with "Existing" or "New" status will be recognized as Zone Bundaries.

If the above conditions are not met so elements form a closed Zone boundary, a warning is displayed.

Re: ZONE ISSUE - V.16

Anonymous — Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:54:32 GMT

EUREKA!!! that was it. I was trying to put a zone associated with the existing reno filter on walls with the new reno filter.

Thanks a bunch.

Re: ZONE ISSUE - V.16

Laszlo Nagy — Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:34:52 GMT

You are welcome. Hopefully it will be useful for others as well in the future.

Re: ZONE ISSUE - V.16

vfrontiers — Mon, 11 Feb 2013 23:53:53 GMT

Re: ZONE ISSUE - V.16

vfrontiers — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:03:34 GMT

Along those same lines... I am having trouble getting DOORS to link to zones where an OLD zone is set to DEMO and a NEW zone (occupying the same area) is set to NEW..

Any Ideas of how these relate? sometimes it want to pull the DEMO zone name... sometimes it shows nothing... rarely does it show the NEW zone name.

This affects the NCS Door Marker that uses Room # in the bubble...

Help?

Re: ZONE ISSUE - V.16

vfrontiers — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:13:58 GMT

Ok... it's exactly the same... If I assign the DOOR = Existing, it pulls the existing room label, if DOOR = New then new room label...

Let's figure out a way to massage this, because rooms can get re-purposed yet keep old doors!

And the entire plan can change requiring a new room numbering system...

Soooo....

I am open to suggestions on this zone affiliation... I keep running scenarios in my head and the fall apart somewhere. I guess I just keep hoping zones to be more chameleon like... and SWITCH based on LAYER (or reno status) visibility.

Also, please update the NCS LABEL to add
LOCATION + DOOR ID

either along with ROOM ID + DOOR ID
or instead of (because you can link LOCATION to ROOM ID)...

Thanks for listening....