topic Recessed windows in Modeling

Recessed windows

Anonymous — Thu, 25 May 2023 16:19:39 GMT

I've attached a couple of sketches for some typical recessed window details we like to use on custom homes, but don't know the best way to do these. #1 shows 2x6 stud exterior walls (we're not doing wall composites at this time), but then the window opening is oversized 3" (or more as reqd) and filled with 2x4's as shown for a 2" deep recess all the way around. Just am a little stumped how best to do get the 2x4 recessed wall in there.

Drawing #2 is similiar except that this one is a double 2x4 exterior wall with the window set in the INSIDE wall, thus creating a 4 1/2" deep recess. It would seem that the best way to do this is to do the inside wall with the windows, and then come back and add the outside wall joining it to the inside wall as shown, but maybe there's an easier way.

Re: Recessed windows

Anonymous — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:55:41 GMT

Josephus, as far as I know there is no window that comes with ArchiCAD that allows you to do this, however we use Door & WindowBuilder (available from Objects Online $199). This is a very powerful object which takes a bit of getting used to but one single object can be used to create all types of windows and doors. In fact it is the only door and window I use, I don't even touch the ArchiCAD ones. There is a setting they have for jamb, head and sill recesses. Each recess can be set individually to a different amount and creates exactly the situation you want in the first sketch. As for the the second double wall structure, since this really won't show in 3D I'd just use one thick wall and draw the composite lines using 2D lines, this will keep things tidy.

If I didn't have Door & WindowBuilder I would build this by first using an Empty Opening to cut an opening in the thick wall the size of the window plus the jamb, head and sill recesses. I then would build a portion of thin wall into this opening in which I would place the actual window. You will have to use some opaque cover fills to tidy up a few lines in the plan and in 3D a hidden line raster view will show the lines where the walls joins. Not perfect but a photo real rendering won't show this.

Like most workarounds there are probably others methods you can use but all will have some form of compromise. Others may have better ideas.

Re: Recessed windows

TomWaltz — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:59:59 GMT

Doesn't the Archicad Window tool let you do this anyway? Or am I missing something?

Re: Recessed windows

Anonymous — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:22:36 GMT

In the "Preview and Positioning" section of all windows you have the ability to recess the window back into the wall by clicking the centre of the group of three buttons and entering a value and even when using D&WBuilder you need to set this at 2" for Josephus's example however this does not add the extra jamb recesses, the window just slides directly backwards into the wall. Any jamb recesses would have to be part of the custom window settings. I am not aware of any ArchiCAD window which has these settings, someone may know of one. Note, you can use negative values in the recess box to push the window out of the line of the wall, very handy when modelling aluminium windows.

Re: Recessed windows

Anonymous — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:40:40 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
Doesn't the Archicad Window tool let you do this anyway? Or am I missing something?

Tom,
No...It looks like they do, but not really. The new SE9 windows, however, should let you do example #1. Josephus should probaly download this new SE9 library and see if these windows work better for his needs.

Dan K

Re: Recessed windows

Anonymous — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 02:04:29 GMT

Just as a clarification, the side of the wall facing the bottom of the page is the outside....the recess is an exterior recess. I am working with SE9 but so far no luck. I'll fiddle with the settings some more tomorrow and see what I can come up with. Tom/Dan, do you have any particular suggestions for me to try? (PS After spending nearly $8K for 2 licenses I'm a little reluctant to spend more $$ on 3rd party add-ons...guess I'm being a bit Dutch here).

Re: Recessed windows

Anonymous — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 04:54:49 GMT

Josephus wrote:
...Tom/Dan, do you have any particular suggestions for me to try? ...

Josephus,
Make sure you have the Wall Type in the window parameters set to "Brick Veneer Wall"...even if you don't have a brick veneer wall. The window's parameter interface changes a little based on the wall type you select....Anyway, now make some adjustments to the values in the Casing and Sill tabs and you should be able to get close to what you are after.

It can be kinda' tricky...I personally feel the new window interfaces are little more complex than they should be...

P.S. tell us which window you are working with and maybe we can give a little more specific info

HTH
Dan K

Re: Recessed windows

Petros Ioannou — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:11:44 GMT

Josephus,
maybe a combination of 2 openings can give you the best result.
Use a simple casement window for the inside part (frame,glass etc) with the stack option on and a second empty opening with reveals on the same position.

Petros

Re: Recessed windows

Petros Ioannou — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:17:57 GMT

The empty opening should be wider than the casement window (2 x reveals) and also do not forget to give it a transparent background fill (2d settings) so that you can see the casement window on plan.

Petros

Re: Recessed windows

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:03:32 GMT

Petros wrote:
The empty opening should be wider than the casement window (2 x reveals) and also do not forget to give it a transparent background fill (2d settings) so that you can see the casement window on plan.

Petros

This is a good idea, and if you set the User ID of the larger opening to "" (no value), you can easily exclude it from listing.

Re: Recessed windows

Anonymous — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:19:54 GMT

Thank you everyone for your helpful suggestions. I will try them out here in a bit and see which works for me.

I typically have been using the SE9 single hung1 window.

Can someone tell me what the peculiar looking IMO icon is for window placement as shown below? It seems like this comes somewhat close "out of the box" to what I'm looking for, but the window should be in the narrow portion....when I've used this insertion method it creates a weird wall inside of the window.

Re: Recessed windows

Anonymous — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:06:13 GMT

Josephus wrote:
Can someone tell me what the peculiar looking IMO icon is for window placement as shown below? ....when I've used this insertion method it creates a weird wall inside of the window.

Small parts of walls (always on outside direction) called reveal. I'm not sure if anywhere they are still in use, but this construction method was used before new generation of Windows/Doors cames out. This is/was just simple universal cheap construction:
1. No need to montage additional cornice on top of W-Opening (was needed with old bad wood windows, without any isolation )
2. helped on old bad wood windows montage works.
3. was as additional air dump (resistance).
There is a option in AC to draw reveals on bottom, however I haven't seen reveals on bottom of opening. They are always on sides+top, because on bottom of window are sill & board.

Re: Recessed windows

Anonymous — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:37:42 GMT

Well, with your help I'm getting somewhere.

I first tried Dan's suggestion with setting the wall type to brick veneer wall, and so far have not had any luck with it. Could you give me some specific settings to try?

Petros' suggestion actually got me the closest and is pretty simple and quick to do, although I have a little glitch with the vertical lines extending. Any ideas how to get rid of those, if so, this will work fine for me.

By the way, the "reveal" positioning of the windows seems backwards to me...who would want a "wall" reveal IN FRONT of the window as this is the only option?

Well, this is about as long as my wife is willing to wait for me, unless I want to eat dinner by myself

Re: Recessed windows

Anonymous — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:41:43 GMT

Here's the attachment from the previous post.

Re: Recessed windows

Petros Ioannou — Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:42:55 GMT

Josephus ,
you can get rid of those lines if you use the stack window option inside the parameters of your window.
Most of the windows and doors in AC have this option. This allows you to stack windows so there are options for left, right, top & bottom.
In your case you can set them all on.

Petros

Re: Recessed windows

Anonymous — Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:05:18 GMT

Petros wrote:
The empty opening should be wider than the casement window (2 x reveals) and also do not forget to give it a transparent background fill (2d settings) so that you can see the casement window on plan.

Petros

Is the "empty" fill the same as the transparent background you're referring to?

Also, I can not find a "stack" option in the window parameter.

By the way, for the empty opening I used the funny placement icon with the reveals, and made the reveal thickness the same as the wall the window is in (3-1/2"). Which placement method did you use for the larger opening....how can you get it to go in only 2" as opposed to the entire wall?

Re: Recessed windows

Petros Ioannou — Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:20:41 GMT

Inside the parameters of all windows there is an option for connectivity on the left, right etc. Search better! There is a chance you use a 3d party window so in that case maybe there isn't such an parameter.
For a fill you define both the hatch pen-color and the background pen-colour. Choosing the Empty Fill does not mean that your object is transparent, unless you choose transparent color for its background (0).
As for placing the empty opening I did not understood what you are asking. (my poor english..)

Petros

Re: Recessed windows

Anonymous — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 03:17:33 GMT

I was wondering which "placement" icon I need to use for the second larger opening (see drawing on the left below). When I used the one on the left, it made a larger opening in the entire wall with the window "floating" in between.

I was looking for the keyword "stacking" which I could not find, is the connectivity parameters shown in the attachment to the right what you're talking about?

As for your English, it is 1000X better than my Greek, although believe it or not, I've studied it a little and really like the logical manner it forms words.

Re: Recessed windows

Anonymous — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:32:56 GMT

Josephus,

look at screenshot below, maybe it can help you to find & set necessary parameters.

And something useful: if you create new "Empty Window" using GDL and add "Cavity Closure"+"Turn Plaster" options you will be able to use just one simple composite wall instead of many wall tiles in your case.

Re: Recessed windows

Anonymous — Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:34:41 GMT

Zohrab, I'm jealous, the screenshot you show is very clean. It looks like you're using a different interface than I am (INT versus US ?). Anyway, I found a "ganging" option which indeed got rid of the lines I was asking about, although I see the ganging material inside my wall, see Arrow (2). also the wall line is cut where the ganging occurs (1).

I don't seem to be able to upload the attached pic