topic Re: Working with Blocks like in Autocad in Modeling

Working with Blocks like in Autocad

Anonymous — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:56:38 GMT

Hi friends and Graphisoft Team,
First i want to say "I love archicad very much" And i thank to Graphisoft Team for this good program.
You'll sure I will never compare Archicad with Autocad
But i am begging you for an important subject.
Pleeeeeeeeease put the property of working with blocks like in Autocad instead of /or beside of .mod files.
Working with blocks in Autocad is very easy and very quick. You can create hundreds of blocks in a single project file.
This property must be in the next hotfix or version.
Thanks.

*Please explain the reason who says " not needed " .

Re: Working with Blocks like in Autocad

Anonymous — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:43:48 GMT

It has been quite a while since I've used Autocad, but I don't think there is anything that a block can do than a GDL object can't, that is why I voted not necessary.

Re: Working with Blocks like in Autocad

TomWaltz — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:33:27 GMT

What is it about blocks that you would like to do that you cannot? Archicad Objects and MOD files are pretty flexible.

The other question is: why would you want to create hundreds of blocks in one file? What are you trying to achieve?

Re: Working with Blocks like in Autocad

Karl Ottenstein — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:40:34 GMT

I agree with Scott. A GDL object is the same as an AutoCAD 'Block' ... with this exception: blocks are embedded within the dwg file, but the gdl object is external.

Just like a block, if you edit a GDL object's content, all placed elements are updated.

If you do not have the shortcut key cmd-shift-O (ctrl-shift-O) set to open a GDL object, you might want to assign it or something similar. You then just select the placed object, issue cmd-shift-O and edit away. If your 'block' content is just 2D content, then you edit visually in the 2D symbol window.

Related to your question: if you have symbols/etc from autocad days that are stored as 'blocks' in existing dwg files, AC makes it easy to convert those blocks into GDL objects via both a File menu option as well as dwg translator options.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Working with Blocks like in Autocad

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:22:55 GMT

Hi friends,
I explain what i mean by block. I haven't use this technique in my projects before. I've just learned it from my friend.
Now we had a big and detailed project. Its about 25.000 m2. So working with blocks is essential. Saving each block as a seperate file is a kind of death.Editing them "in place" is must to be.

Making hundreds of blocks is explained in picture-5.
Saving .mod files and editing them is not easy and usable like this, GDL is same too.
If Archicad solve this problem, i think there is not need to work other CADs.

Re: Working with Blocks like in Autocad

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:26:35 GMT

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Re: Working with Blocks like in Autocad

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:28:58 GMT

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Re: Working with Blocks like in Autocad

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:29:53 GMT

picture4

Re: Working with Blocks like in Autocad

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:30:52 GMT

picture5
This is what i mean by hundreds of blocks

Re: Working with Blocks like in Autocad

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:33:10 GMT

picture 6
Editing blocks "in place"

Re: Working with Blocks like in Autocad

Djordje — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:59:54 GMT

I have moved the topic from the wishes, as the wish for editing the Modules (that is what you should be using) in place already exists.

You should use Modules, and Edit module in separate ArchiCAD option.

Re: Working with Blocks like in Autocad

Anonymous — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:41:04 GMT

Dear Djordje,
Have you ever used or seen Autocad's block that i explained by pictures?
I know working with that wonderful (!) mod files. Opening them in seperate windows is totally nonsense and time killer.
I don't understand this Archicad's fanatism. I love this program but it gives me more pain.
I think it is a big wish....

Re: Working with Blocks like in Autocad

Karl Ottenstein — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:02:17 GMT

ogabson wrote:
I think it is a big wish....

It is a big wish ... that is what Djordje was trying to explain. You must search for existing wishes to avoid making a duplicate so that the votes count properly. The wish already exists here:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=100624#100624

Vote there, and if you want to, make a post that includes a link back to this thread.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Working with Blocks like in Autocad

Anonymous — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:03:53 GMT

While library parts and modules are far more useful and powerful than AutoCAD blocks there is still considerable room for improvement.

If modules were to have their own local origin then any instance could be edited in place and saved to the source without disrupting all the other instances. This would be much easier than having to open a separate session of ArchiCAD.

Blocks can contain elements on multiple layers. Library parts could be greatly enhanced by allowing some sort of layer sensitivity to be coded in. Of course improved library part creation and editing would also be a big boost but I digress.

I think ogabson makes valid points. It's just the comparison with AutoCAD blocks which confuses the matter since they are so otherwise limited compared to ArchiCAD's functionality.

EDIT: Of course as Karl points out all this has already been wished for (many times over the years).

Re: Working with Blocks like in Autocad

Anonymous — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:02:48 GMT

Hi again,

The wish already exists here:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=100624#100624

Yes there was a big wish from 5 years ago I am very lucky that i was not that person. Otherwise now i must be a dead or must be cancer .

I wish and hope Archicad migrate the good features from other CADs and i hope Archicad will be the leader forever.

Have a nice work for all.

Re: Working with Blocks like in Autocad

Djordje — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:23:41 GMT

I understood what you want - although, as I am off AutoCAD for some 13 years, I almost forgot 😉

Karl pointed out what was the point of my post. It has been wished many times.