topic Re: Morph Railing guideline in Modeling

Morph Railing guideline

Jere — Tue, 23 May 2023 16:06:43 GMT

Hi,

For the life of me, I can not duplicate the steps in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5yOnSWksdw

I have the same setup, with a 3d polyline floating above the railing. I try to extrude the morphed railing but I can not get it to follow below the guide 3d polyline. It keeps snapping to the polyline. How is he constraining his extrusion to follow the 3d polyline?

This might be related, but I can't get my editing planes to show either.

Additionally, I can't figure out how he gets the proper lengths before bending upward. That is, the lower rail properly extends further than the top one before going up.

Please help!

Re: Morph Railing guileline

Jere — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:20:55 GMT

here's a screen capture of my failed attempt: I still can't get editing planes to show up, but I was able to follow the rail by using guidelines. That said, the three components of the railing all bend at the same vertical spot, which is obviously not correct.

Re: Morph Railing guileline

Jere — Fri, 21 Jun 2013 19:03:07 GMT

Can anyone help me here? I'm still stuck on the same problem. I got the editing planes (switched to GL engine) but I can't figure out how to use the morph like he does in this video.

What are the steps that I need to follow to make this work?

Re: Morph Railing guileline

Anonymous — Sun, 23 Jun 2013 05:19:48 GMT

Jere, I played around with this for a few hours, and manage to make it work only by selecting all the morph elements in 3D, then set a guideline for that upwards railing angle, which allowed me to extrude all the elements together along that axis.

Looking closely at that video tutorial, he somehow makes the second part of his extrusion snap to that railing angle, no idea how his done that, but that seems to be the "key" to that upwards extruding part.

I'm a REAL NOVICE at ArchiCAD, maybe the more experienced people can shine a light on how he makes the extrusion follow that angle with a locked offset?

Re: Morph Railing guileline

Anonymous — Sun, 23 Jun 2013 07:18:36 GMT

Hi, I have uploaded a litle tutorial in spanish in youtube about tube option in morph maybe it can help you.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud5viMPQfAA

Re: Morph Railing guileline

Anonymous — Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:08:20 GMT

Jose I came across your tutorial earlier today, shame I couldn't understand Spanish 😛

In the video tutorial Jere posted, the elements are individually extruded by clicking on the polyline nodes. I tried absolutely everything to replicate what was demonstrated, but the only way I could get it to work was to select "all" elements, then extrude together.

Any chance you can write a detailed step by step?

Re: Morph Railing guideline

Anonymous — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:26:26 GMT

After spending an hour trying to replicate this and failing this is one topic I am interested in knowing it is done

Re: Morph Railing guideline

Steve Jepson — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 04:17:21 GMT

is this what you want to do ?

Re: Morph Railing guideline

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 04:22:05 GMT

Steve now your teasing Can i PM you?

Re: Morph Railing guideline

Steve Jepson — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 04:24:51 GMT

Sure.

http://www.moddex.com.au/cad-support.html

Here is a link to the this ArchiCAD model in a ,pla file if it is any help to you.

It is really very simple but the polycount may be a problem for some computers to handle. ?

I am putting a limit on the number of times it can be downloaded from this link because I am getting hundreds of requests for it. Make your own! It is not that hard.

The fittings are available for download from many websites. Assemble the stations on your stair where you want them, connect with a poly line or the ArchiCAD tube object from the library. Just a bunch of copy, paste, stretch and Bob's your uncle. All of you Aussies can get started with the Moddex website. They have models there you can download in various CAD fromats.

If you ask for the models in ArchiCAD they might sent you this one that I made or something similar ??
https://www.yousendit.com/download/WFJVSU5IcVhrWThQWWNUQw

Someone let me know if this link works or not.

Re: Morph Railing guideline

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 06:37:14 GMT

Still doesn't address the question of offsetting against a 3d polyline. I cannot replicate the youtube either - pressing parallel constraints etc...tips anyone?

Re: Morph Railing guideline

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 06:45:47 GMT

Same here rwallis, I tried just about every Control Box combination, and still wasn't able to find a solution.

Steve, maybe you could be kind enough and walk us through..?

Re: Morph Railing guideline

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 08:47:09 GMT

rwallis wrote:
Still doesn't address the question of offsetting against a 3d polyline. I cannot replicate the youtube either - pressing parallel constraints etc...tips anyone?

People is GS didn't bake workflow of 3d modeling good as we needed.

set rotated grid and pick plane commands work a little bit strange, with too many clicks to complete simple task
(if i start to draw something and i rotate grid on plane, after a click rotated grid on plane is return to its default location...so i must rotate it again and i need 6 mouse clicks to rotate it again ! So slow and time consumption

GS developers, please take a look at other 3d software how they handle
3D navigation and 3D modeling...You are almost there....
My favorite is MOI3D...you can finish almost everything in a few mouse clicks (1 or 2)

This should be fixed in archicad hotfixes ofc !

Re: Morph Railing guideline

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 12:08:16 GMT

Necko are you saying this works, you just need to pick the right plane on the Polyline in 3D?

Re: Morph Railing guideline

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 23:23:55 GMT

blimp wrote:
Necko are you saying this works, you just need to pick the right plane on the Polyline in 3D?

This is what i modeled using pick plane command

You can see it is wrong because i'm not able to use cursor snaps on second click (horizontal. vertican and perpendicular) so Archicad bends pipe on wrong place. (upper part of stairs) So you can't model this with pick plane command

Second thing is User origin (XYZ icon) (this is problem)
It totaly acts different on my Archicad comparing to one on video.
When i start tube command and pick first point on 3d polyline my User origin icon dosn't move on 3d polyline like in video instead of that it stays down on morph that i tube. So thats why archicad bend tube (rails) on wrong place because angle of bending is on different place !

User origin acts different and i'm not able to tell archicad to change its position

Please, can anyone from GS enlight us about this topic ?

Re: Morph Railing guideline

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 23:30:46 GMT

This is where user origin sets its position in video...

At my place, user origin stays down on morph that i tube so this is a cause !

Re: Morph Railing guideline

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 23:45:53 GMT

I can get the origin to move with alt+ shift, but still can't replicate the video

Re: Morph Railing guideline

Anonymous — Wed, 26 Jun 2013 00:35:33 GMT

Guys I managed to get in contact with Kevin Lee (being the guy who recorded the YouTube video), and emailed him the link to this discussion, so hopefully he will comment and explain why it's not possible, and maybe a workaround too

Re: Morph Railing guideline

Anonymous — Wed, 26 Jun 2013 00:49:34 GMT

Hi Guys,

I have created this video just before the release of ArchiCAD 16 and You are right, Graphisoft development team has changed this function a bit in the released version of AC 16.
The original idea didn't give a good solution if the path's points weren't on the same plane. Graphisoft kept the function of having the ability to change the reference point at the first click, but only inside the extruded polygon's surface.

Ideally, you can still create this balustrade if you duplicate the 3D reference line. The reason I haven't close down this youtube link is to convince GSHQ team to bring this feature back in the future release as I still believe it is a fantastic option for users.

Cheers,

Re: Morph Railing guideline

Anonymous — Wed, 26 Jun 2013 00:54:28 GMT

Thanks for clearing that up - and I have to concur that functionality would be useful.