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BIMStorm London: Team 7 BIM Vikings - Best Overall Winner

Mats_Knutsson — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:51:18 GMT

http://www.buildlondonlive.com/blog/index.html

GO Norway!!!!!

Re: BIMStorm London: Team 7 BIM Vikings - Best Overall Winne

David Pacifico — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:37:07 GMT

Can you fill the rest of us in?

Re: BIMStorm London: Team 7 BIM Vikings - Best Overall Winne

Mats_Knutsson — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:27:01 GMT

David wrote:
Can you fill the rest of us in?

Well...not so much info yet but the overall champ is the norweigan Viking team. Obviously a very good multi-application-communication (true BIM) effort from the Vikings.

quote:
"Team BIM Vikings won the Multi-disciplinary Design and Constructability for the wide range of organisations, disciplines, and applications used plus the massive use of BuildingSMART standards."

What I read the team managed to collaborate through heavy use of IFC. We'll get some sort of report later on. Tha actual use of IFC is extra interesting since some (that doesn't support open BIM...) never spoils a chance to say IFC is crap.

I actually don't know all the softwares involved but since the norweigan AC distributor Arktis was a part I guess some of the architectural stuff was made with AC. Not that it matters so much. The IFC is the interesting part and I'm sure more info will be posted here soon

Re: BIMStorm London: Team 7 BIM Vikings - Best Overall Winne

Odd Goderstad — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:16:55 GMT

Yes we did it! In the middle of som celebration at the moment..Mostly ArchiCAD 11 was used for the Architectural bits, but also some sketchup. Have a look at www.buildlondonlive.com.
All in all 20 different softwares was used.
It was a great experience!

Re: BIMStorm London: Team 7 BIM Vikings - Best Overall Winne

Erika Epstein — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:26:05 GMT

Congratulations team Viking!
Great work!

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Steve Jepson — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 05:40:32 GMT

BIM. Building Information Model.

I see the model, where is the Information extracted from the Model?

Re: BIMStorm London: Team 7 BIM Vikings - Best Overall Winne

Anonymous — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:43:53 GMT

BIM - Building Information Modeling. You don't have to extract the information. But it has to be integral part of the model. If you CAN extract it then it is BIM.

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Steve Jepson — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:22:40 GMT

Exactly my point.

I think the the measure of BIM software aught to be it's schedules, not it's hypothetical potential to create them.

The BIM is not legitimate until they produce he schedules that prove it works, all the way through the the process.

Where are the contests for software that can extract the BI into legitimate and useful schedules?

I would like to see which progams can do the best job with the BI found in an ArchiCAD BIM.

ArchiCAD has the potential to do so much more in this area. I hope better schedules with be the #1 priority for the next version of ArchiCAD.

Re: BIMStorm London: Team 7 BIM Vikings - Best Overall Winne

Anonymous — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:26:37 GMT

Steve wrote:
I think the the measure of BIM software aught to be it's schedules

There is a whole lot more to BIM/VB than just schedules. Planning, design coordination, constructibility, construction coordination, 4D, 5D, forensics, disaster management pop to mind. There is yet much more (like facilities management etc.)

Schedules and specs are important, but are still just small parts of the overall model. I do agree that popping out some schedules is good way to demonstrate that it's not just a dumb model, but it's not "the measure of the model". Not enough dimensions.

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Odd Goderstad — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:06:34 GMT

Miki wrote:
BIM - Building Information Modeling. You don't have to extract the information. But it has to be integral part of the model. If you CAN extract it then it is BIM.

OK, now I am back from celebrations and a long vacation..

Here is what team BIM Vikings supplied during those 48 hrs.:

IFC Models (mostly from Archicad, dds and tekla) 32

Drawings (dwg) 11

Google Earth (kmz) 1

Video 18

Images 82

Reports and Documents (mostly from other software, but also some schedules from ArchiCAD) 55

Energy Analysis 2

4D - Constructability Analysis 1

5D - Cost Calculations 7

With the exchange possibilities IFC gives us, it is better to leave sceduling, cost analysis etc. to specialized software for that purpose.

In this project, we used 20 different softwares that exchanged IFC-BIM...

Re: BIMStorm London: Team 7 BIM Vikings - Best Overall Winne

Anonymous — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:01:55 GMT

Odd wrote:
Miki wrote:
BIM - Building Information Modeling. You don't have to extract the information. But it has to be integral part of the model. If you CAN extract it then it is BIM.
OK, now I am back from celebrations and a long vacation..

Here is what team BIM Vikings supplied during those 48 hrs.:

IFC Models (mostly from Archicad, dds and tekla) 32

Drawings (dwg) 11

Google Earth (kmz) 1

Video 18

Images 82

Reports and Documents (mostly from other software, but also some schedules from ArchiCAD) 55

Energy Analysis 2

4D - Constructability Analysis 1

5D - Cost Calculations 7

With the exchange possibilities IFC gives us, it is better to leave sceduling, cost analysis etc. to specialized software for that purpose.

In this project, we used 20 different softwares that exchanged IFC-BIM...

Any chance you guys could come over to Nottingham in September and show your stuff?

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Anonymous — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:38:38 GMT

Matthew wrote:

Any chance you guys could come over to Nottingham in September and show your stuff?

That would be a very good reason for me to go over there this year

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Odd Goderstad — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:00:06 GMT

I might be able to do that, I will check with my calender, and the bosses..
I could do a presentation of our effort, if someone want to listen, and look...

Re: BIMStorm London: Team 7 BIM Vikings - Best Overall Winne

Anonymous — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:19:06 GMT

Odd wrote:
I could do a presentation of our effort, if someone want to listen, and look...

I would very much want to listen and look

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Mats_Knutsson — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:49:46 GMT

Odd wrote:
I might be able to do that, I will check with my calender, and the bosses..
I could do a presentation of our effort, if someone want to listen, and look...

It would be really great! We are three people coming from GS Sweden.

Re: BIMStorm London: Team 7 BIM Vikings - Best Overall Winne

Anonymous — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:10:24 GMT

Mats_Knutsson wrote:
Odd wrote:
I might be able to do that, I will check with my calender, and the bosses..
I could do a presentation of our effort, if someone want to listen, and look...
It would be really great! We are three people coming from GS Sweden.

This is great. Have you been in touch with David yet? I just sent him an email so maybe he'll be in touch in the morning. I am excited to see not only what you did in the competition but also to learn more about IFC and interoperability. I have been doing a lot of work in this area lately.

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Odd Goderstad — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:56:15 GMT

No, have not heard from DNC. I see the scedule is fillled up, might be difficult to fit in? Could leave it to winterscool....

Re: BIMStorm London: Team 7 BIM Vikings - Best Overall Winne

david nicholson-cole — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:16:08 GMT

Od,
Would you be prepared to talk about htis at the ArchiCAD Summer School?
I have already had a booking from Mats Knutsson, but he didnt mention about the London BIMStorm (which occurred after the booking, I guess).
It sounds like a good experience, which many people could learn from.

===david

Re: BIMStorm London: Team 7 BIM Vikings - Best Overall Winne

Odd Goderstad — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:29:06 GMT

I think I can. PM sendt, mail me at my usual mail...

Re: BIMStorm London: Team 7 BIM Vikings - Best Overall Winne

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