topic Re: Walls showing up on wrong floors in Modeling

Walls showing up on wrong floors

Anonymous — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:08:59 GMT

Hi.
In one of our projects we have some walls that show up on our basement level when we have it on our first floor level.

The walls that show up on the basement that we don't want are:

Home Story Only- Home story is first floor.
The wall bottom is at 10' which is what the first floor is set at.
They are set to show cut only.
the basement is 10 feet deep and the cutplane is set to 3 feet.

and they are still showing up on the basement level.

Something that is weird- the bad walls when i look in the info box with the wall selected it says that the bottom is at 10', rather than showing that it is 0" from the floor it is on.
The 10' is 10' from project zero.

when i make a new wall I can set it to be a zero height from the first floor, and it works and does not show up on the basement story.

so I dont understand what is going on.

If i suck up the properties of the bad wall and draw another one it shows up on the basement level. that censored word mean to obtain the properties of the bad walls by using the syringe tool.

i added an attachment.
I copied these walls from the project and into an empty file so the numbers may not be the same, but the problem is still there.

Any help would be great, thanks.

Re: Walls showing up on wrong floors

Karl Ottenstein — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:24:17 GMT

Jess,

Stumped for a minute on this one! The problem is the Home Story setting - which is set to be "Current +1". If you change that to "Automatic", or select just the proper story, it is fine.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Walls showing up on wrong floors

Anonymous — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:02:17 GMT

Yeah, I see you are right with the file I gave that you can do that.

I tried to do that before in the original file and it didn't help.

So here is the original file, with everything deleted to make the file smaller and the wall giving me a hard time.

One more time?
Thanks again.

Re: Walls showing up on wrong floors

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:09:29 GMT

Jesikuh123 wrote:
So here is the original file, with everything deleted to make the file smaller and the wall giving me a hard time.

One more time?
Thanks again.

OK, I'm stumped. New walls display on just the first floor. Duplicates, or injected properties from you misbehaving wall always show up as cut on the basement. I cannot find any settings to alter the behavior ... so either we're both crazy, or there is some kind of corrupt hidden attribute associated with your wall.

I'll call GS tech's attention to your posted file. Does this happen to very many walls?

Sorry I couldn't come up with anything,
Karl

Re: Walls showing up on wrong floors

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:19:12 GMT

Jesikuh123 wrote:
Something that is weird- the bad walls when i look in the info box with the wall selected it says that the bottom is at 10', rather than showing that it is 0" from the floor it is on.

This is normal. The Info Box shows you heights relative to project zero. When you enter values for top and bottom of a wall, the values in the Wall Settings dialog are for the base height relative to the current story, home story, or reference level, and the overall height. The values in the Info Box are the actual z values of the bottom and the top of the wall.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Walls showing up on wrong floors

Anonymous — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:01:44 GMT

Jess,
incidentally the floor settings and floor cutting plane settings are slightly different to what you describe in your original post in the second file you posted.

notwithstanding that, i had a go with various settings of the wall, didn't touch the FCP settings at all, or the story settings
aaaaand inspite of logic, changing only one setting to be 'show on all relevant stories' makes the wall go away from basement level. changing it back to 'show on home story only' does not make it re-appear on basement.

so... i 'd say def some kind of bug there. but in any case this may fix your file so that you don't have to re-draw everything....

by the by these are the wall settings i see in your file:
8' high
0" to current story & project 0
automatic home story (0. First Floor)
show on home story
projected with overhead
entire element

also story settings are:
0. First Floor 0" elev 10' height to next
-1. Basement Level -9'-5" elev 9'-5" height to next

and FCP settings:
cut plane 4'
show up to 1 story above 0"
show down to 1 story below 0"
absolute show down to project zero -10'

hope that helps

Re: Walls showing up on wrong floors

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:07:03 GMT

Xristina is right.
Switching to All Relevant Stories than back to Home Story only fixes it.
My guess is that some setting gets stuck and these steps unstick it.
But I think GS will be interested in this strange behavior.

Re: Walls showing up on wrong floors

Anonymous — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:46:42 GMT

Hi Guys, thanks a bunch.
I try all those weird things that you don't think would fix a problem but it does.
Like when all my dimension text won't show, i just delete them all and then undo and it shows back up.
and when I go into materials and change them they don't update in the model unless I pick the wall change the material to something else, then undo, to switch it back and it changes.
But I guess I didn't catch this one,
so thanks again!

Re: Walls showing up on wrong floors

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:19:39 GMT

This is in many cases a way of fixing things in ArchiCAD.
First I tried to select the misbehaving Wall and copy it to the Clipboard then immediately paste it back. But in this case it did not work.
Then there is the method of setting a parameter or setting that can have a direct effect of the misbehavior of the element to another value, OK the Dialog, then set it back to its desired value. This is what fixed it in this case.
Another method is the forward Merge where you create an empty Project with the same attributes as the misbehaving file and Merge the file into it.

The common denominator of all these is to somehow make ArchiCAD get rid of the buggy setting in the element.

Re: Walls showing up on wrong floors

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:17:17 GMT

laszlonagy wrote:
This is in many cases a way of fixing things in ArchiCAD.
First I tried to select the misbehaving Wall and copy it to the Clipboard then immediately paste it back. But in this case it did not work.
Then there is the method of setting a parameter or setting that can have a direct effect of the misbehavior of the element to another value, OK the Dialog, then set it back to its desired value. This is what fixed it in this case.
Another method is the forward Merge where you create an empty Project with the same attributes as the misbehaving file and Merge the file into it.

The common denominator of all these is to somehow make ArchiCAD get rid of the buggy setting in the element.

Just curious Las, would not "cut" rather than "copy" the offending element then paste it in? Never heard of this before. I will have to try it.

Re: Walls showing up on wrong floors

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:21:54 GMT

I would probably cut it since it is a wrong element, but one must be careful because if it has already been Dimensioned then those dimensions will have to be recreated.
But it seems sometimes this has no effect as this example shows.

Of course these are just guesses because sometimes they solved the problem so I am only guessing why they work. My main guess is that in these instance (cut/copy-paste, forward Merge) ArchiCAD checks the data structure of the element and correct it if it can.

Re: Walls showing up on wrong floors

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:14:29 GMT

GS has determined that there was corrupt data (not user accessible) in the walls that Jess posted, but does not believe this is an issue that should affect most of us. They are in touch with her behind the scenes to see how the corruption might have been introduced.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Walls showing up on wrong floors

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:00:43 GMT

Karl wrote:
GS has determined that there was corrupt data (not user accessible) in the walls that Jess posted, but does not believe this is an issue that should affect most of us. They are in touch with her behind the scenes to see how the corruption might have been introduced.

Cheers,
Karl

Now here is a wish for you all. A clean tool to fix data corruption without destroying sheets/ views. Having used various CAD systems in the past and even Sketchup have this functionality.