topic Re: Text orientation in Modeling

Text orientation

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Feb 2005 01:26:32 GMT

I have a line of text that i am rotating and when it gets to a certain point it "flipps" about the vertical axis so that it still reads "up", not reading upside down. I have an occation where i don't want it to do this. Is there a way to stop the veritical flipping?

thanks

donald mac donald

Re: Text orientation

Barry Kelly — Fri, 04 Feb 2005 01:29:59 GMT

Donald wrote:
I have a line of text that i am rotating and when it gets to a certain point it "flipps" about the vertical axis so that it still reads "up", not reading upside down. I have an occation where i don't want it to do this. Is there a way to stop the veritical flipping?

thanks

donald mac donald

There is a difference between rotating the text and going into the text properties and inputting the desired angle.
Give that a go.

Barry.

Re: Text orientation

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Feb 2005 01:39:10 GMT

Barry,
that worked. thanks so much!

donald mac donald

Re: Text orientation

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Feb 2005 02:26:30 GMT

Anyone know how to control dimension text in a similar way ?
Peter Devlin

Re: Text orientation

Barry Kelly — Fri, 04 Feb 2005 08:03:21 GMT

Peter wrote:
Anyone know how to control dimension text in a similar way ?
Peter Devlin

Same way.
Select the text (lower left corner), go into the propeties and type the required angle.
You may need to reposition the text as well.

Barry.

Re: Text orientation

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:25:53 GMT

Barry wrote:

Select the text (lower left corner)

Ahh... one of my favorite New Features in 9.0 ! Not having to search for that little text handle anymore !

Woody

Re: Text orientation

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Feb 2005 17:25:54 GMT

Barry,
I did not get the method you suggest to work.

I drew a wall at 100° angle, set the dimension tool to angle method,
and measured the length of the wall.
The angle of the dimension text is reported as 280°.
If I change this in the settings window to 100°, the text
angle does change and does not flip until I try to drag
the text then suddenly it flips and I'm back to where I started.

Please try doing exactly what I did and see what happens.
Maybe you know how to stop it from doing that final flip.
Thank you,
Peter Devlin

Re: Text orientation

Barry Kelly — Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:04:34 GMT

Peter wrote:
Barry,
I did not get the method you suggest to work.

I drew a wall at 100° angle, set the dimension tool to angle method,
and measured the length of the wall.
The angle of the dimension text is reported as 280°.
If I change this in the settings window to 100°, the text
angle does change and does not flip until I try to drag
the text then suddenly it flips and I'm back to where I started.

Please try doing exactly what I did and see what happens.
Maybe you know how to stop it from doing that final flip.
Thank you,
Peter Devlin

Interesting.
I have never actually tried this before but as you say the text flips back as soon as you reposition it.

The only way around this is to reposition the text first (so lower-left corner is now where the upper-right corner was) and then rotate the text.

However moving the text again at any time will cause it to flip back to its original angle so you will always need to move it so the bottom-left point is where the upper-right should be and then change the angle.

Strange behaviour indeed which I can confirm in V8.1 at least.
Text on its own is unaffected thankfully.

Barry.

Re: Text orientation

Anonymous — Mon, 07 Feb 2005 04:47:48 GMT

Barry,
Thanks for doing some experimenting and then replying.
I didn't try this, but did you find that the text could survive
a rebuild without the final flip ?

This issue interests me because or office uses a standard
36"x24" sheet for our drawings with a 1" staple margin
on the left 24" edge. Particularly with a large set of drawings
when you are looking at say sheet 24 all the previous sheets
are rolled back and partially cover the left side of the sheet 24
if you are looking at the sheet from the left side which you
have to to read dimension text as it is shown in AC,
being always right side up when viewed from the left.

I would like it to be the opposite.
It is easier to read dimensions that are on the left or
staple margin side looking from the right side.
For us it would be nice to have the flip occur at <180° rather than <90°.
This is how I have coded our electrical symbol's text.
and it seems more natural.
Thanks,
Peter Devlin

Re: Text orientation

Barry Kelly — Tue, 08 Feb 2005 04:13:56 GMT

Peter wrote:
Barry,
Thanks for doing some experimenting and then replying.
I didn't try this, but did you find that the text could survive
a rebuild without the final flip ?

This issue interests me because or office uses a standard
36"x24" sheet for our drawings with a 1" staple margin
on the left 24" edge. Particularly with a large set of drawings
when you are looking at say sheet 24 all the previous sheets
are rolled back and partially cover the left side of the sheet 24
if you are looking at the sheet from the left side which you
have to to read dimension text as it is shown in AC,
being always right side up when viewed from the left.

I would like it to be the opposite.
It is easier to read dimensions that are on the left or
staple margin side looking from the right side.
For us it would be nice to have the flip occur at <180° rather than <90°.
This is how I have coded our electrical symbol's text.
and it seems more natural.
Thanks,
Peter Devlin

Survives the re-build fine.

Unfortunately I don't know of any way of controlling when the dimension text flips or not.

But another trick is to rotate the views in Plotmaker (assuming you use Plotmaker).
We link PMK views of our plans into plotmaker (have found this better than linking the PLN in directly so I can't comment if this will work linking in a PLN).
Once place in plotmaker the PMK's can be rotated so they can effectively be read from what ever direction you want.

Hope this is of some help.

Barry.

Re: Text orientation

Anonymous — Tue, 08 Feb 2005 04:37:36 GMT

Barry,
Thanks for the reply.
We too find linking PMKs better than direct linking.

One problem with rotating drawings in plotmaker
is when we draw plans in AC we draw them so the
wide dimension of the whole drawing is horizontal so it will fit in
the layout at the largest scale it can (usually 1/4"=1'-0")
if we rotated the plan in PM we would have to bring it in
at a reduced scale to have it fit in the layout.

When the building plan is small even at our usual scale
we do rotate the plans in PM so that we can have say
three floor plans on one sheet. Saves paper!
Thanks,
Peter Devlin

Re: Text orientation

Mark Wallace — Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:01:34 GMT

The only way I've been able to lock text in 'an upside down weird angle' is to make the adjustment manually in the 'angle' box.

On my site plans, I run my courses and distances clockwise from the beginning point. When certain stretches are reached, the program likes to 'flip' the text upright (I guess to be more legible...which I allow on my building plans). This happens with the dimension tool as well as with text. The work around has been to make the adjustment in the 'angle' by subtracting or adding 180 degrees.

I'm intrigued that Graphisoft still hasn't addressed this one. In future upgrades, text angular positioning or alignment could be a 'preferences' item that can be set either globally or adjusted within the text or dimension tool.

Regards,

Mark R. Wallace AIA

Mac G3, 350 Mhz, 1 Gb RAM, OSX.3.7, ArchiCAD 7.0, Plotmaker 2.3 v3 OSX
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