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    <title>topic Re: How would you draw this in ArchiCAD? in Modeling</title>
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    <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Ralph wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;NStocks wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;I really appreciate your help and support on this, but I fear that it is becoming to complex for someone who has never really used ArchiCAD before ( though I want to learn ). I have a 10 minute go in Google Sketchup ( which is reccomended to use for first year Architect students ) and I got something that resembled my model in such little time. My tutor also implied that ArchiCAD is ' old' and isn't coming along very quickly, unlike AutoCAD which is understandable as AutoCAD doesn't work on Mac anyway...&lt;BR /&gt;
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I feel that with Sketcup I will have a good model that didn't take that long, but when it comes to more complex models/structures that require more technical details, sketchup won't be able to accommodate. Would the next stages you mentioned, really bring the model above what sketchup can do i.e is it worth me taking another day with ArchiCAD instead of using sketchup ?&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
Always use the tool that's most appropriate for the task. Don't try to make one tool suit every application. I still use pencil and paper for early sketch design - it's very quick, fluid, and helps me clarify my thoughts. All software packages are a bit too literal/concrete to be helpful at that stage.&lt;BR /&gt;
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I think Sketchup is fine as a prototyping tool, but I wouldn't use it for professional documentation. You might start with one and progress to the other. If you need a model that will never move beyond the concept/prototyping stage, then by all means use Sketchup if that seems to be solving the problem quickly. You will learn more about ArchiCAD if you persist and I'm sure you could produce a good result, but don't overload yourself (and don't miss deadlines!).&lt;BR /&gt;
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ArchiCAD takes longer to master simply because it has vastly more to offer and is capable of providing solutions on a very large scale. For what it provides, I think ArchiCAD is as easy as it gets. It isn't easy to advance ArchiCAD simply because it was so far ahead of the competition for so long. Conversely, Autodesk can simply copy what GS has pioneered.&lt;BR /&gt;
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As for being 'old', AutoCAD gets first prize. There was a version of AutoCAD for the Mac, but it was such an ugly, awful piece of software that no Mac user wanted to touch it - working by hand would almost be preferable. I hope your tutor was actually referring to Revit, because AutoCAD is technically a museum-piece (still polished occasionally, but mostly sitting on the shelf).&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

No, he was referring to the current version of AutoCAD and ArchiCAD. He said that AutoCAD has ' required ' 3DS and a few other programs and just labelled it Autodesk... Not to be a ' Mac fan ' but you can quite simply tell that AutoCAD was made to work on a PC, by the layout of the toolbars etc. I think that he only recommends AutoCAD because at least 90% of the students will have Windows' PC's  ( 4 of my group have Mac's and are using Bootcamp, Windows 7 and AutoCAD as well as sketchp, but that's because they are influenced by what the tutor has said, in the lecture to 170 students, that is ) and the University have PC's of which they can run AutoCAD for free and use the latest version each year.&lt;BR /&gt;
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Attached is a 5 minute preview of what it will look like in Sketchup, I think that it will look o.k, but it won't have that certain quality that ArchiCAd offers, and I'm not to keen on the section cuts and not sure if it has elevation settings.&lt;BR /&gt;
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How long would it take you to create my model to a ' perfect ' quality ? I'm not asking you to send me the version ( though screenshots would be helpful ) nor asking you to spend your time creating it, I just want an idea of how long a professional can do it.  &lt;BR /&gt;
Nathan</description>
    <pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:02:56 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-10-30T13:02:56Z</dc:date>
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      <title>How would you draw this in ArchiCAD?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/How-would-you-draw-this-in-ArchiCAD/m-p/123451#M65461</link>
      <description>&lt;DIV class="actalk-migrated-content"&gt;&lt;T&gt;I need to draw this model I have made for a project at University. So far I have only drawn a 3D house in ArchiCAD, but that was made up from walls etc. What I want is a basic frame to show the shape and intersection of my model. Which tools etc, would I use to get it 3D&lt;/T&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/8196i55270E2062065CD1/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" border="0" alt="photo-6.jpg" title="photo-6.jpg" /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:43:47 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2009-10-20T14:43:47Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: How would you draw this in ArchiCAD?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/How-would-you-draw-this-in-ArchiCAD/m-p/123452#M65462</link>
      <description>Anyone ? I just basically want to draw the model in 3D...&lt;BR /&gt;
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Thank You</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:46:35 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2009-10-20T18:46:35Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: How would you draw this in ArchiCAD?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/How-would-you-draw-this-in-ArchiCAD/m-p/123453#M65463</link>
      <description>It is quite a challenge, but it can be done.&lt;BR /&gt;
1 draw the contour with walls&lt;BR /&gt;
2 place a roof &lt;BR /&gt;
3 trim to roof&lt;BR /&gt;
4 make an object (axonmetric top view, save 3D model as)&lt;BR /&gt;
5 place the object &lt;BR /&gt;
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6 redo for second element, but add a rotation factor in the top of the 3D script (ROTY 10, or ROTX 10 or ROTY 10, which depends on your object)&lt;BR /&gt;
7 add this line to the 2D script PROJECT2 3,270,1 for correct 2D view&lt;BR /&gt;
8 you might want to adjust the position in an elevation&lt;BR /&gt;
9 and so on . . .&lt;BR /&gt;
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good luck!</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:28:05 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2009-10-20T19:28:05Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: How would you draw this in ArchiCAD?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/How-would-you-draw-this-in-ArchiCAD/m-p/123454#M65464</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Master wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;It is quite a challenge, but it can be done.&lt;BR /&gt;
1 draw the contour with walls&lt;BR /&gt;
2 place a roof &lt;BR /&gt;
3 trim to roof&lt;BR /&gt;
4 make an object (axonmetric top view, save 3D model as)&lt;BR /&gt;
5 place the object &lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
6 redo for second element, but add a rotation factor in the top of the 3D script (ROTY 10, or ROTX 10 or ROTY 10, which depends on your object)&lt;BR /&gt;
7 add this line to the 2D script PROJECT2 3,270,1 for correct 2D view&lt;BR /&gt;
8 you might want to adjust the position in an elevation&lt;BR /&gt;
9 and so on . . .&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
good luck!&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

Great ! What thickness would you use, it's only about 2mm thick so should I just use that ? Did you use the default roof setting, or should I manipulate them from my model, likewise the height of the ' walls' i.e if its 25mm high I would raise the walls 25mm high then put the roof on and trim ?&lt;BR /&gt;
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How would I do the back piece which is just a single curve? &lt;BR /&gt;
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Were suppose to use AutoCAD but I have a Mac and don't want to install windows... Would it be much easier in AutoCAD ?&lt;BR /&gt;
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Thanks very much !&lt;BR /&gt;
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P.S how long did it take you to do that ?</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:43:10 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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      <title>Re: How would you draw this in ArchiCAD?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/How-would-you-draw-this-in-ArchiCAD/m-p/123455#M65465</link>
      <description>Just measure up your model and use those sizes. &lt;BR /&gt;
For the back piece use a complex profile. &lt;BR /&gt;
You can also use this to get the round edges &lt;BR /&gt;
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Ofcourse it is easier with ArchiCAD &lt;IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_wink.gif" style="display : inline;" /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:01:36 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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      <title>Re: How would you draw this in ArchiCAD?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/How-would-you-draw-this-in-ArchiCAD/m-p/123456#M65466</link>
      <description>Which tool is ' complex profile' from ? Your dialog boxes are quite different from mine ( are you on PC )&lt;BR /&gt;
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How did you do the front piece( first image) so that they overlapped and looked like they would fit in. Do I need to specify each part by the level from next floor option and change that in increments of X ?&lt;BR /&gt;
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I'm very uneducated in CAD and it's up to all of us ( Students) to figure it out by ourselves to a point.... I really appreciate your help &lt;IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_smile.gif" style="display : inline;" /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:29:25 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2009-10-20T20:29:25Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: How would you draw this in ArchiCAD?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/How-would-you-draw-this-in-ArchiCAD/m-p/123457#M65467</link>
      <description>I don't want to be rude, but there is a lot of information about complex profiles in the help files of AC. Go to Help/ArchiCAD Help and do a search on Complex profiles. They can explain it better than I can.&lt;BR /&gt;
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For the objects go to this website &lt;A href="http://www.graphisoft.com/education/training_guides/#gdl" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;S&gt;&lt;A href="http://www.graphisoft.com/education/training_guides/#gdl" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;A href="&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt;&amp;lt;LINK_TEXT text=&amp;quot;http://www.graphisoft.com/education/tra ... uides/#gdl&amp;quot;&amp;gt;http://www.graphisoft.com/education/training_guides/#gdl&amp;lt;/LINK_TEXT&amp;gt;&amp;lt;e&amp;gt;"&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/S&gt;&lt;LINK_TEXT text="http://www.graphisoft.com/education/tra ... uides/#gdl"&gt;http://www.graphisoft.com/education/training_guides/#gdl&lt;/LINK_TEXT&gt;&lt;E&gt;&lt;/E&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
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If you still have problems, we will take it from there.</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:56:10 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2009-10-20T20:56:10Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: How would you draw this in ArchiCAD?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/How-would-you-draw-this-in-ArchiCAD/m-p/123458#M65468</link>
      <description>If you dislike GDL, a free utility for rotating elements is:&lt;BR /&gt;
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ArchiRotate, from Cigraph.&lt;BR /&gt;
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It converts Archicad objects into objects that can be tilted without any code writing.</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:25:52 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Dwight</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2009-10-20T21:25:52Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: How would you draw this in ArchiCAD?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/How-would-you-draw-this-in-ArchiCAD/m-p/123459#M65469</link>
      <description>Dwight you need to reread the website - it allows you to freely rotate - but it is not free!&lt;BR /&gt;
30 euros...</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:54:34 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2009-10-20T23:54:34Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: How would you draw this in ArchiCAD?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/How-would-you-draw-this-in-ArchiCAD/m-p/123460#M65470</link>
      <description>Sorry. Used to be. i think.</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:57:57 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Dwight</dc:creator>
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      <title>Re: How would you draw this in ArchiCAD?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/How-would-you-draw-this-in-ArchiCAD/m-p/123461#M65471</link>
      <description>They offered the AC11 version for free but then started the small charge with the advent of AC12 if I recall correctly.</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:07:08 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Erich</dc:creator>
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      <title>Re: How would you draw this in ArchiCAD?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/How-would-you-draw-this-in-ArchiCAD/m-p/123462#M65472</link>
      <description>For €30, I'd be learning code.</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:09:12 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/How-would-you-draw-this-in-ArchiCAD/m-p/123462#M65472</guid>
      <dc:creator>Dwight</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2009-10-21T00:09:12Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: How would you draw this in ArchiCAD?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/How-would-you-draw-this-in-ArchiCAD/m-p/123463#M65473</link>
      <description>could you just refresh my memory on applying a roof ? I have the walls, but when I use the roof tool it always goes below the walls and ' into the ground'. I've changed the ' height from' but it doesn't work.&lt;BR /&gt;
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Sorry for my lack of knowledge, and I wold prefer to get a a straight answer on here than the manual.&lt;BR /&gt;
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Thanks</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:37:53 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2009-10-21T13:37:53Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: How would you draw this in ArchiCAD?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/How-would-you-draw-this-in-ArchiCAD/m-p/123464#M65474</link>
      <description>could you just refresh my memory on applying a roof ? I have the walls, but when I use the roof tool it always goes below the walls and ' into the ground'. I've changed the ' height from' but it doesn't work.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Sorry for my lack of knowledge, and I wold prefer to get a a straight answer on here than the manual.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Thanks</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:47:09 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2009-10-21T13:47:09Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: How would you draw this in ArchiCAD?</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/How-would-you-draw-this-in-ArchiCAD/m-p/123465#M65475</link>
      <description>How do I use the object, once I've added those lines to the scrips? I only have the preview box and I can't actually use it...&lt;BR /&gt;
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Thanks</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:09:10 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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      <title>Re: How would you draw this in ArchiCAD?</title>
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      <description>upload your object, than we can see what you have got.&lt;BR /&gt;
(note: zip it first)</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:19:45 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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      <description>Well this is all I have managed to do so far... And my Tutor keeps saying to use Sketchup, but that's not what I want to do.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:01:46 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>Just download this free object rotator from the object deposit, it may be just what u need right now:&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;A href="http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/object_depository.php?browse=Depository/Archicad%20Modules" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;LINK_TEXT text="http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/obj ... %20Modules"&gt;http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/object_depository.php?browse=Depository/Archicad%20Modules&lt;/LINK_TEXT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
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It´s free and there is no add on - works really well.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:19:20 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;lardizabal wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;Just download this free object rotator from the object deposit, it may be just what u need right now:&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;A href="http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/object_depository.php?browse=Depository/Archicad%20Modules" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;LINK_TEXT text="http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/obj ... %20Modules"&gt;http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/object_depository.php?browse=Depository/Archicad%20Modules&lt;/LINK_TEXT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
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It´s free and there is no add on - works really well.&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

Thanks ! How do I open my object with that open ? Sorry for my non-exsistend understanding.</description>
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      <description>Load the Rotator.gsm object into your library, then in the parameters field you fill in the "Name of library part to rotate"  parameter with the library part name u need to rotate - in your case it would be "Shelter 2" according to the object you uploaded. Copy as many instances you need and change the rotate parameters as you need.</description>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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