topic Re: Recommended Reading in Modeling

Re: Recommended Reading

Dwight — Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:10:10 GMT

Re: Recommended Reading

Anonymous — Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:53:33 GMT

Yer basic Archicad resource list

Well, that's generally what I wanted to avoid. Which of these books are worth getting? Is there one that is generally more helpful than others?

I know there are plenty of books out there, and I was hoping some of you could leave a testimonial about a specific book that was most helpful to you.

Re: Recommended Reading

Laura Yanoviak — Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:04:45 GMT

The book that I've found the most useful is Project Framework -- it hasn't been updated since AC8.1 (with an addendum for AC9), so a lot of it is no longer relevant for AC10 and above. It's emphasis is on managing the data, as opposed to how to use the software.

There is no comprehensive tome on AC -- my advice is to try and read everything you can find... and search this forum for recommended reading and links to helpful websites.

Re: Recommended Reading

TomWaltz — Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:08:10 GMT

There's only one printed book out there that I think is both current and worth anything (in 2007), and that's Dwight's book.

Other than that, AEC Info Systems and Digital Vision (Archicad resellers) both maintain decent online tips guides.

I actually wrote a proposal for an Archicad book and sent it to a few publishers, but they felt the user base was too small. I'm not as entrepreneurial as Dwight is, so I didn't try to publish it myself.

Re: Recommended Reading

Anonymous — Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:40:51 GMT

Thanks Tom and Laura...

anyone else with recommendations?

Re: Recommended Reading

Djordje — Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:45:53 GMT

Nothing beats one on one training.

Re: Recommended Reading

Anonymous — Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:13:05 GMT

Djordje wrote:
Nothing beats one on one training.

One probably should NEVER ASSUME THAT one KNOWS WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?

Of course nothing beats One-on-One training, if you are the Trainer. In any other view, Classes beat One-on-One training hands down. Pedagocially One-on-One is simply bad; didactically extremely problematic; as comes to Discipline and Structure, hopeless.

NEVER GET TRAINING FROM SOMEONE WHO PREFERS ONE-ON-ONE

EDIT Grammar & syntax corrected

Re: Recommended Reading

Anonymous — Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:59:07 GMT

Petri wrote:
...Classes beat One-on-One training hands down...

Surely taking one-to-one training is like taking classes anyway, but with less people, meaning you have more attention?

Petri wrote:
...Pedagocially One-on-One is simply bad; didactically extremely problematic; as comes to Discipline and Structure, hopeless...

Could you translate this please? I genuinely have no idea what you just said.

Cheers,

Pete.

PS. No need to be rude to Djordje, he's only trying to help!

(Edited for clarity)

Re: Recommended Reading

Dwight — Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:09:29 GMT

Petri wrote:

NEVER GET TRAINING FROM SOMEONE WHO PREFERS ONE-ON-ONE

PLEASE ELABORATE.

Re: Recommended Reading

TomWaltz — Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:30:56 GMT

Petri wrote:
Classes beat One-on-One training hands down. Pedagocially One-on-One is simply bad; didactically extremely problematic; as comes to Discipline and Structure, hopeless.

NEVER GET TRAINING FROM SOMEONE WHO PREFERS ONE-ON-ONE

OK, obviously you know more than the rest of us... why is one-on-one so bad? How many others would you like in a class and why?

Re: Recommended Reading

Dwight — Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:07:47 GMT

It was probably an un-welcomed advance.

Re: Recommended Reading

Anonymous — Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:11:30 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
There's only one printed book out there that I think is both current and worth anything (in 2007), and that's Dwight's book.

Other than that, AEC Info Systems and Digital Vision (Archicad resellers) both maintain decent online tips guides.

I just went to Amazon.com and this is the message given for Dwights book:
Availability: Currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock.

Where else is Dwights book for sale?

Thanks

Re: Recommended Reading

Erich — Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:27:08 GMT

Look at Dwight's post just above yours...

Also many on the resellers have his book available, check with your local reseller.

Re: Recommended Reading

Dwight — Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:28:38 GMT

All right.

Let me clarify that the book published by Graphisoft in 2002 and sold through Amazon was the title "Illustration in Archicad." IT IS OBSOLETE and that is why it is not stocked there anymore. YOU DO NOT NEED THIS BOOK.

At the bottom of my Archicad TALK Forum postings including this one are explicit instructions on how to order my current book "LightWorks in ArchiCAD" USING YOUR CREDIT CARD AT PAYPAL.
YOU NEED THIS BOOK. I do not sell this book through conventional channels LIKE BOOKSTORES because they have unreasonable purchase agreements that allow them to order many books, not pay for those books, and return what they don't sell at my expense. Unfair. I reach my audience through Archicad dealers who chose to stock my book and by direct mail because that is how the audience is most efficiently reached.

Re: Recommended Reading

Anonymous — Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:49:26 GMT

Dwight wrote:
All right.

Let me clarify that the book published by Graphisoft in 2002 and sold through Amazon was the title "Illustration in Archicad." IT IS OBSOLETE and that is why it is not stocked there anymore. YOU DO NOT NEED THIS BOOK.

At the bottom of my Archicad TALK Forum postings including this one are explicit instructions on how to order my current book "LightWorks in ArchiCAD" USING YOUR CREDIT CARD AT PAYPAL.
YOU NEED THIS BOOK. I do not sell this book through conventional channels LIKE BOOKSTORES because they have unreasonable purchase agreements that allow them to order many books, not pay for those books, and return what they don't sell at my expense. Unfair. I reach my audience through Archicad dealers who chose to stock my book and by direct mail because that is how the audience is most efficiently reached.

Very Well, even with your back toward your audience.

You cannot separate the Observed from the Observer

or

There Is No Objective Reality

Re: Recommended Reading

Djordje — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:16:04 GMT

Petri wrote:
One probably should NEVER ASSUME THAT one KNOWS WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?

I really have to ask here:

what is your problem?

Do you just like to quarrel, or are you frustrated that your infinite knowledge is not recognized? Come on, man, you are an old time user. If you had any scrap with GS Finland or any of the resellers, please go there, and sort it out. Don't take your frustrations on everyone here. We had nothing to do with it, so please stop and try to be civil in your address.

In my experience, people preferred one on one, because it could be customized, and to the point. The classroom approach is better for getting an overall knowledge, but the chain as strong as the weakest link - the slowest user in the class is going to set the pace.

As a trainer, I preferred small group training with set list of goals and previous knowledge. The classroom training was always a challenge of finding the balance between the best and the worst pupil, and the one on one I don't like very much, because it often goes off into the loops and tangents ...

If we all so pi** you off, then maybe you should not be here? Or is your masochistic streak so strong?

Re: Recommended Reading

Karl Ottenstein — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:57:46 GMT

Djordje wrote:
As a trainer, I preferred small group training with set list of goals and previous knowledge. The classroom training was always a challenge of finding the balance between the best and the worst pupil, and the one on one I don't like very much, because it often goes off into the loops and tangents ...

I couldn't agree more, Djordje!

Karl

Re: Recommended Reading

Richard Morrison — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:39:36 GMT

Djordje wrote:
If we all so pi** you off, then maybe you should not be here? Or is your masochistic streak so strong?

I don't think it's just us. Vectorworks Forum Thread