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Section tool marker scale

Anonymous — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:27:37 GMT

I think I am missing something.

When I have a section marker on the site plan is is the right size at 70 pt as printed at 1/8" scale.

But when I print the floor plans at 1/4" scale the section marker is obviously twice as big.

I need them to be the same size regardless of the scale of the plan on the published sheet.

Re: SECTION TOOL MARKER SCALE

Karl Ottenstein — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:12:06 GMT

What's the name of the marker you're using? One of the standard section marker objects?

The standard markers are scale independent, like text, and will be the same size on output regardless of the drawing scale. Is it possible that you have used drawing settings or dragging to 'magnify' the placed drawing? (Check settings for each to see if Magnification is 100% as it should be, and the scales read out correctly.)

Karl

Re: SECTION TOOL MARKER SCALE

Anonymous — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:25:06 GMT

I'm using the "Built-In Section Marker".

And, yes, the site plan is published at 50% or 1/8" scale. The View is 1/4" scale.

But, I can't change the site plan to a 1/8" view because all the topo info is at 1/4" and anything I want to appear on both plans get messed up when I switch between views.

Maybe I have been working the wrong way on this project? What do you do?

Re: SECTION TOOL MARKER SCALE

Anonymous — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:06:45 GMT

Usually I do not show site sections on the floor plan, but my client wants them to show throughout the set. I would normally have site sections markers that print at 1/8" scale match the size of the building section markers that print on the 1/4" scale plans.

How do you create your drawings?

Re: SECTION TOOL MARKER SCALE

Karl Ottenstein — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:12:35 GMT

Jeff wrote:
I'm using the "Built-In Section Marker".

And, yes, the site plan is published at 50% or 1/8" scale. The View is 1/4" scale.

But, I can't change the site plan to a 1/8" view because all the topo info is at 1/4" and anything I want to appear on both plans get messed up when I switch between views.

Maybe I have been working the wrong way on this project? What do you do?

IMHO, one should "never" (never say never, so 99.9%) change the value of Magnify from 100%. What you've experienced is what is supposed to happen. Magnify magnifies or shrinks, ignoring any other scale. The only time to use it in my opinion is when placing 3D drawings or images or perhaps text PDFs that are not to scale and you want to adjust them visually to fit the paper.

My topos are usually 1"=20' or 1"=30', so I've not been tempted to use magnify as you have.

Could you explain what you mean by 'all of the topo info is a 1/4" scale" - do you mean the text (only thing for which scale matters I think?) for an imported dwg?

Karl

Re: Section tool marker scale

Anonymous — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:35:42 GMT

Yes, the topo text size and alignment gets all messed up when I change scale. It was imported as a DWG.

Re: Section tool marker scale

Karl Ottenstein — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:14:34 GMT

The key to getting imported dwg text at the correct size is to set the scale of the workspace to match that of the (surveyor) dwg before merging / opening. Great tip from Djordje years ago.

If it is too much work to re-merge, then use find-and-select to change the size of all similar text items to a size that will work.

Karl

Re: Section tool marker scale

Chazz — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:29:40 GMT

Jeff wrote:
Yes, the topo text size and alignment gets all messed up when I change scale. It was imported as a DWG.

This used to be an issue in the days before you could "place" a drawing. If you are opening a DWG or importing it you need to set the scale to the correct final ratio BEFORE you open or import.

If you have already invested a bunch of time in tweaking the survey data consider this: open the DWG survey file again at the desired scale and delete all the scale sensitive stuff (lines, arcs etc) and just leave the text. Then go to your plan and delete all the survey text and set the view to the desired scale and copy/paste in the text from the new DWG. I've done this and it works like a charm.

(after reading Karl's post....) The problem with the find-and-select method is that it can shift the position of the text. Reimporting will get it spot on.

Re: Section tool marker scale

Karl Ottenstein — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:03:18 GMT

Chazz wrote:
(after reading Karl's post....) The problem with the find-and-select method is that it can shift the position of the text. Reimporting will get it spot on.

True. Last dwg I did this too worked, because the text anchors happened to be in the right spot. Not to be expected though.

Great tip for correcting the text if other elements have been altered, Chazz!

Thanks,
Karl

Re: Section tool marker scale

Chazz — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:57:32 GMT

Karl wrote:
Great tip....Chazz!

I find that ever since my 500th post and the conferring upon me the new title of Veteran Member, these things just come to me.

Re: Section tool marker scale

Karl Ottenstein — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:22:41 GMT

Chazz wrote:
Karl wrote:
Great tip....Chazz!
I find that ever since my 500th post and the conferring upon me the new title of Veteran Member, these things just come to me.

🙂 Let that be an incentive to all! 😉

Karl

Re: SECTION TOOL MARKER SCALE

Achille Pavlidis — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:14:33 GMT

Karl wrote:
What's the name of the marker you're using? One of the standard section marker objects?

The standard markers are scale independent, like text, and will be the same size on output regardless of the drawing scale. Is it possible that you have used drawing settings or dragging to 'magnify' the placed drawing? (Check settings for each to see if Magnification is 100% as it should be, and the scales read out correctly.)

Karl

Karl, are there any scale sensitive section markers?

Re: Section tool marker scale

Anonymous — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:18:10 GMT

Karl wrote:
Chazz wrote:
(after reading Karl's post....) The problem with the find-and-select method is that it can shift the position of the text. Reimporting will get it spot on.
True. Last dwg I did this too worked, because the text anchors happened to be in the right spot. Not to be expected though.

Great tip for correcting the text if other elements have been altered, Chazz!

Thanks,
Karl

could you not find and select the text, change the anchor to be bottom left/ top right or center (whatever is the correct position for your purposes) (you may need to do this twice: change it into something you don't want first, click ok, then change it again to where you need it to be, click ok, to ensure all text anchors are where they should be), then change the size of the text to be want you need it to be... I know it's a three step operation (well 4 if you count the find and select clicks ) but it is guaranteed to work and does not need re-importation of the dwg which personally i find a draaag
HTH