topic Re: Wall Profile in Modeling

Wall Profile

Anonymous — Wed, 24 May 2023 10:48:57 GMT

Attempting to draw a main common wall from a federation house which has a few twists and turns. What's the best was to tackle this in ArchiCAD?

Re: Wall Profile

Dwight — Tue, 26 Mar 2013 03:39:48 GMT

For modeling only, draw the profile as a complex profile used as a beam drawn across [not along] the wall direction.

Re: Wall Profile

Anonymous — Tue, 26 Mar 2013 07:09:57 GMT

Dwight, thanks for the suggestion.

I need this for both a 3D representation and 2D. Is there a way that I can "shape" the wall in a side elevation which will reflect the 3D rendering as well?

Re: Wall Profile

Anonymous — Tue, 26 Mar 2013 07:32:36 GMT

Dwight, I found a really good write up that perfectly explains what you suggested. I'll give this a try

http://www.bobrow.com/archicad-tutorials/archicad-tutorial-creative-uses-complex-profiles/

Re: Wall Profile

Anonymous — Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:45:40 GMT

Draw the wall as a standard wall, and use a Complex Profile wall perpendicular to it to cut away the shape above (Subtract with upwards extrusion) that you don't want. This way you can still add windows and doors to the original wall.

Re: Wall Profile

Anonymous — Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:54:19 GMT

To further explain...

You would draw the shape you want to cut away (i.e. above the parapet) using a fill in the Complex Profile editor (Image below, more to follow). Then draw a wall using the CP in a direction perpendicular to your exterior wall. Position it appropriately. Use Solid Element Operation (under "Connect" in design menu) and set your original standard wall as the target, the Complex Profile wall as the Operator, and the operation set to "Subtraction with upwards extrusion". Click on Execute to perform the SEO.
Now you need to put the Operator (CP wall) on a layer that is turned OFF (I have a specific layer for Solid Element Operators) but do not delete it. If you delete the operator, you delete the work it does too.

Hope this makes sense.

Re: Wall Profile

Anonymous — Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:57:37 GMT

CP and original wall before SEO

Re: Wall Profile

Anonymous — Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:59:27 GMT

CP and original wall after SEO

Re: Wall Profile

Anonymous — Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:01:29 GMT

Final product

Re: Wall Profile

Anonymous — Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:10:11 GMT

Stuart,

Thanks SOooo much for explaining this in fine detail. Being a novice at ArchiCAD, I also watched a few YouTube walkthroughs on the complex profiler, but I'm still trying to get my head around

Never the less, I'm battling through trying to replicate current projects I'm working on in Revit 2013, as I would like to transition over to ArchiCAD hopefully soon.

Would you know of anyone whiling to run through the software on a one to one basis? I'm planning on purchasing Eric Bobrow's tutorials, but haven't had the chance to get around to it yet

Re: Wall Profile

Barry Kelly — Thu, 28 Mar 2013 01:49:57 GMT

blimp wrote:
I'm planning on purchasing Eric Bobrow's tutorials, but haven't had the chance to get around to it yet

Better get in quick.
I believe they are on sale for the next few days over Easter.
Barry.

Re: Wall Profile

Anonymous — Thu, 28 Mar 2013 02:30:17 GMT

Barry, are you talking about the "webinar special offer" or is there a easter advert somewhere else?

Re: Wall Profile

Barry Kelly — Thu, 28 Mar 2013 02:40:38 GMT

I just had an e-mail earlier touting Eric's Best Practice course for half price.
In the e-mail he mentioned he would do a similar deal for his Master Template and his Internet Marketing course.

Here is the link he posted in the e-mail.

http://www.acbestpractices.com/march-madness/?inf_contact_key=a1a012022cb312858415e682298c8190b894db06bdad8b4366dcfc78243ac40b

Barry.

PS Eric - should I be getting a commision?
Just joking of course.

Re: Wall Profile

Anonymous — Thu, 28 Mar 2013 02:43:01 GMT

Cool thanks for the tip, I sent Eric a private message via facebook.

Re: Wall Profile

Anonymous — Sat, 30 Mar 2013 03:34:53 GMT

Stuart,

Am I right to saying (and from what I've read from other posts), it seems you can pretty much use any tool to create whatever massing or form your after.

For example I read a posts where a guy was advised to use a roof tool to create a sloped driveways.

I'm just brain storming here, but if that's the case, would it then be possible to draw the parapet or wall shaped in plan view as a slab, then rotate it to sit vertical and act as a wall with internal wall elements?

Re: Wall Profile

David Maudlin — Sat, 30 Mar 2013 12:06:46 GMT

blimp wrote:
I'm just brain storming here, but if that's the case, would it then be possible to draw the parapet or wall shaped in plan view as a slab, then rotate it to sit vertical and act as a wall with internal wall elements?

If you use this method, the slab will be transformed into an object, and so will act as an object, not a wall: for example you will not be able to put doors or windows into it, and it will not clean up with other walls. Same issues if the slab is transformed into a Morph.

You should add a Signature to your Profile (click the Profile button near the top of this page) with your ArchiCAD version and operating system (see mine for an example) for more accurate help in this forum.

David

Re: Wall Profile

Dwight — Sat, 30 Mar 2013 17:21:26 GMT

blimp wrote:
Stuart,

Am I right to saying (and from what I've read from other posts), it seems you can pretty much use any tool to create whatever massing or form your after.

Archicad is disciplined so that all forms aren't plastic primitives. Having elements with constraining properties like slab, wall and roof distinguished Archicad from other modelers at the time [1990]. Understanding primitives this way made inserting doors in walls, for instance, revolutionary at the time. As the program evolved and we got away from using steam to run our computers, its designers made increasingly convoluted and complex ways to achieve unlikely form - like your parapet wall challenge. Remember that Archicad isn't merely a modeler, but seeks to logically resolve building elements into quantifiable construction quantities, even if that capacity is beyond most users.

With the addition of the Morph tool, any element [and its built-in constraints/quantities] can be dissolved amorphically. But that doesn't mean that removing all constraints on an element is a good thing.

The main drawback beginners have using any modeling program is the tendency to think in plan. Try thinking about what can be extruded in section…

You'd still be advised to investigate Archicad's tools thru the complex profile tool applied as a column, beam or wall. For instance, once a shape is defined in the complex profile, it can be extruded without distorting, sloped as a beam, since beams slope. There's your parapet coping, for instance.

The complex profile also has the advantage of being recorded somewhere for easy repetition and editing in future.

My approach is to build what is possible with the standard tools, then morphicalize the weird bits for custom modeling.

Re: Wall Profile

rocorona — Mon, 01 Apr 2013 21:15:36 GMT

would it then be possible to draw the parapet or wall shaped in plan view as a slab, then rotate it to sit vertical and act as a wall with internal wall elements?

Nothing so easy, here, as you have just heard. But with some trick you can use one element to borrow a shape to crop a Wall. I recommend to use these techniques only when really needed.
There are examples in the Graphisoft tutorial movies, or just have a look to this one: http://youtu.be/v0l8UulwyOA