topic Re: Stretching roof pivot lines in Modeling

Stretching roof pivot lines

Anonymous — Tue, 23 May 2023 12:49:39 GMT

I'm experimenting using AC15, and when trying to stretch a roof pivot line and inputting the dimension, it will not stretch the dimension that I input. This technique will work in the 3D window however. Can I get someone else to confirm this or is it just me?

Re: Stretching roof pivot lines

David Maudlin — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:19:19 GMT

Millard:

Works here, I tried Single-Plane Roof. What are the steps you are taking? Are you using the Tracker or Coordinates palette for input (the WE (Tracker and Coordinate Input) has various input options)? Is your WE set up the same in 14 and 15?

David

Re: Stretching roof pivot lines

rjwilden — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:09:36 GMT

Millard wrote:
I'm experimenting using AC15, and when trying to stretch a roof pivot line and inputting the dimension, it will not stretch the dimension that I input. This technique will work in the 3D window however. Can I get someone else to confirm this or is it just me?

Same here. The tool ignores the R distance input.
Also the pet pallet is very flaky.
You have to reselect the desired function after every move &
the selection wont stick, seems to drop it.
The pallet wont show after selecting a roof edge, which happens randomly.
I used the tool a couple of times with the demo download and this wasn't a problem, is the demo download more up to date .

Disappointingly the first roof I tried to build it couldn't do it. A multi-plane roof with a lean too at a different angle, think barn. In order to connect the lean too with multi plane you have to split the roof and join in the usual way . Once split you cant reassemble as far as I can tell. Tried using multi plane geometry, no joy there.
Seems the a reassemble function should be part of it. For example a group of mono pitched roofs would be nice if they could all become multi plane.

Re: Stretching roof pivot lines

Stephen Dolbee — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 22:22:35 GMT

I am experiencing the same as Millard. When trying to extend a gable, it doesn't take the number I give it-in plan or 3d. How do you select just one plane of the roof? I guess I need to view the videos again.

Re: Stretching roof pivot lines

Barry Kelly — Fri, 01 Jul 2011 01:46:59 GMT

rjwilden wrote:
I used the tool a couple of times with the demo download and this wasn't a problem, is the demo download more up to date .

This could be the case - check the build numbers.
I heard the one on the CD is 3002?
The download is build 3006.

rjwilden wrote:
Disappointingly the first roof I tried to build it couldn't do it. A multi-plane roof with a lean too at a different angle, think barn. In order to connect the lean too with multi plane you have to split the roof and join in the usual way . Once split you cant reassemble as far as I can tell. Tried using multi plane geometry, no joy there.

What you have done is probably the best way.
Use the multi-plane roof to get basically what you want then convert to single planes and adjust to what you really want.

Something you could play with is adding a second level to your roof.
Then one of those lower planes could be adjusted in pitch and stretched as desired.
Hard to say without seeing an image of exactly what you want.
Basically creating a multipitched roof but adjusting only one plane and leaving the others all the same pitch as each other.

Barry.

Re: Stretching roof pivot lines

David Maudlin — Fri, 01 Jul 2011 13:16:42 GMT

Stephen wrote:
How do you select just one plane of the roof?

In either 2D or 3D, select the pivot line of the roof plane you want to modify and the upper right icon in the pet palette.

David

Re: Stretching roof pivot lines

Stephen Dolbee — Fri, 01 Jul 2011 17:22:49 GMT

Thanks David. What about multi-plane on just one-like a shed roof?

Re: Stretching roof pivot lines

David Maudlin — Sat, 02 Jul 2011 12:28:08 GMT

Stephen wrote:
Thanks David. What about multi-plane on just one-like a shed roof?

Stephen:

I may not understand your question (an image would help), but if you need a single roof plane, then use the Single-Plane Geometry method. Multi-Plane and Single Plane Roofs can be combined using the new Connect function. To get the full value from this approach, go to Preferences > Construction Elements and under Floor Plan Display of Single Roofs use True 3D Projection.

David

Re: Stretching roof pivot lines

rjwilden — Sat, 02 Jul 2011 19:03:47 GMT

David wrote:
Stephen wrote:
Thanks David. What about multi-plane on just one-like a shed roof?
Stephen:
. Multi-Plane and Single Plane Roofs can be combined using the new Connect function.
David

I Haven't been able to do this combine multi plane roof with single plane, can you explain how this is achieved.

Richard

Re: Stretching roof pivot lines

David Maudlin — Sun, 03 Jul 2011 12:17:55 GMT

rjwilden wrote:
I Haven't been able to do this combine multi plane roof with single plane, can you explain how this is achieved.

Re: Stretching roof pivot lines

rjwilden — Sun, 03 Jul 2011 23:03:54 GMT

It is clearer in the 3D Window (but can be done in 2D). Select one of the Roofs, right-click and select Connect > Trim Elements to Roof/Shell, click on the other Roof you want to trim to, then select the part of the 1st Roof you want to keep. It is similar to SEO, but with automatically correct 2D display if your Preference is set correctly (see my previous post). The elements are not combined into one, but behave as SEO. You could always Group them to tie them together. This is a new command that users will need to play with to understand its full use.

David

Yes your right. The Multi-plane roof is retained. There are minor problems occurring when making changes to the mutli-plane roof pitch and pivot height and some adjustment req to the lean too, to make it work, but I guess I can live with that. Thanks for the tip.

Richard.

Re: Stretching roof pivot lines

Stephen Dolbee — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 12:33:14 GMT

Is there an answer to the original question? I am having the same problem. I have to draw a line a set distance, then stretch the roof to the line to be accurate.

Re: Stretching roof pivot lines

Stephen Dolbee — Tue, 02 Aug 2011 14:36:53 GMT

Millard wrote:
I'm experimenting using AC15, and when trying to stretch a roof pivot line and inputting the dimension, it will not stretch the dimension that I input. This technique will work in the 3D window however. Can I get someone else to confirm this or is it just me?

Has this been reported as a bug? I'm still having problems-can't stretch with accuracy. I still have to draw a line and stretch to the endpoint.

Re: Stretching roof pivot lines

Barry Kelly — Mon, 08 Apr 2013 07:15:57 GMT

Just wanted to resurrect the original question in this post (after nearly 2 years).

When stretching the pivot line or even the edge of a multi-plane roof in 15 or 16 it does not go to the distance set in the tracker.
Instead it moves to wherever the mouse cursor is placed and oddly enough the cursor moves to the desired distance when you press enter.

It seems to work fine in 3D as someone else mentioned before.
Are others having this problem and is there a solution?
Latest hotfixes do nothing.

Barry.

Re: Stretching roof pivot lines

Erwin Edel — Mon, 08 Apr 2013 11:10:49 GMT

My solution/work-around is hitting tab once after entering the distance (moving to another field in the tracker), this gets the proper result.

Re: Stretching roof pivot lines

Barry Kelly — Mon, 08 Apr 2013 12:01:44 GMT

Excellent - thanks Erwin.
That works.
Barry.