topic Re: Upgrade Pricing form AC 11 To 12 around the world. in Modeling

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Brett Brown — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:59:46 GMT

Hi, I would be interested in the Prices Graphisoft are charging around the world for normal upgrades from AC 11 to 12 and the subscription price as well.

I have seen the USA prices lately where you had a special of 595 US from the normal 895 US, lucky you's, that was subscription right? How much is just normal upgrade? (I tried to get one but of course they wouldn't play ball)

Here in NZ the normal upgrade is 1336 US and the subscription 1275 US.

Also I see some high profile users here in NZ use the International version. How does that work? How much are you paying? and if it is cheaper than the NZ version upgrade, where can I get one?

Perhaps someone can let me know why we are paying so much more from the same company, for the same software. It's only a DVD and manual, and as someone else mentioned it could be just a download.

Re: Upgrade Pricing form AC 11 To 12 around the world.

Anonymous — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:03:32 GMT

Yes, but we get (most of) the Cadimage tools "free"

Re: Upgrade Pricing form AC 11 To 12 around the world.

Brett Brown — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:08:55 GMT

Yes Stuart, but the main ones aren't. Yet another added cost to the upgrade.

Re: Upgrade Pricing form AC 11 To 12 around the world.

Stuart Atkinson — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:15:46 GMT

Aus prices in US dollars.

Upgrade is between US$1242 to US$1338 (when i rang before 12 was released and they would not confirm a figure).

Subscription US$1056 (approx - again needs confirming now 12 is released).

License transer fee US$946 - yes you read it right - a massive US$471 more than the cost in the US.
How Graphisoft Australia can justify such a price difference for license transfer i don't know, but it is one of the many reasons why i have not yet been able to buy a license. A grand just to have the dongle number registered to my name!.

So the AUS prices are similar to the NZ prices.
I too was interested to see the US prices.
I also note we have not yet been offered the ArchiCAD Start Edition?.

Re: Upgrade Pricing form AC 11 To 12 around the world.

__archiben — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:38:15 GMT

Brett wrote:
Also I see some high profile users here in NZ use the International version. How does that work? How much are you paying? and if it is cheaper than the NZ version upgrade, where can I get one?

if you mean me, i'm an import along with the dongle: we came together.

Re: Upgrade Pricing form AC 11 To 12 around the world.

__archiben — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:40:55 GMT

Stuart wrote:
License transer fee US$946 - yes you read it right - a massive US$471 more than the cost in the US.
How Graphisoft Australia can justify such a price difference for license transfer i don't know, but it is one of the many reasons why i have not yet been able to buy a license. A grand just to have the dongle number registered to my name!

that's if you buy one second-hand though, right? if you bought a current, new license direct from your local reseller you surely don't have to pay to 'transfer' anything . . .

~/archiben

Re: Upgrade Pricing form AC 11 To 12 around the world.

__archiben — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:43:24 GMT

Brett wrote:
Perhaps someone can let me know why we are paying so much more from the same company, for the same software. It's only a DVD and manual, and as someone else mentioned it could be just a download.

supply, and indeed, demand.

the same reason every other commodity in this country is so damn expensive compared to elsewhere . . .

~/archiben

Re: Upgrade Pricing form AC 11 To 12 around the world.

Brett Brown — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:43:58 GMT

Yes I did, thought that might be the case. So what did you pay for your upgrade? Do Beta Testers get a decent discount?

Re: Upgrade Pricing form AC 11 To 12 around the world.

__archiben — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:48:46 GMT

Brett wrote:
Do Beta Testers get a decent discount?

Re: Upgrade Pricing form AC 11 To 12 around the world.

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:51:21 GMT

Brett wrote:
Do Beta Testers get a decent discount?

The good ones get an excellent discount.

Karl

Re: Upgrade Pricing form AC 11 To 12 around the world.

Stuart Atkinson — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:51:12 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
Stuart wrote:
License transer fee US$946 - yes you read it right - a massive US$471 more than the cost in the US.
How Graphisoft Australia can justify such a price difference for license transfer i don't know, but it is one of the many reasons why i have not yet been able to buy a license. A grand just to have the dongle number registered to my name!
that's if you buy one second-hand though, right? if you bought a current, new license direct from your local reseller you surely don't have to pay to 'transfer' anything . . .

~/archiben

Correct. The license transfer applies to buying a second hand license, but since Brett was asking about prices i thought i'd chuck that one in as it severly s***'s me that we pay double the US price (for someone to spend 30 seconds changing a small piece of information on a database somewhere).

Cheers

Re: Upgrade Pricing form AC 11 To 12 around the world.

Dwight — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:23:59 GMT

it severly s***'s me that we pay double the US price (for someone to spend 30 seconds changing a small piece of information on a database somewhere).

I am not one to defend sales attitudes, but for the brief time i sold Archicad, before eBay was a common way to be rid of excess Archicads, there were several instances where guys wanted me to sell their old Archicad licenses and not take a commission equal to my selling a new license. It is simple business: why waste a lead that has taken time to develop?

And so it is with the transfer fee - merely a shadow of compensation for a real sale, lost.

The fact that Graphisoft allows transfers at all - at any price - is something we should be grateful for, since a software license is exactly that - an intellectual property license, not a refrigerator.

Re: Upgrade Pricing form AC 11 To 12 around the world.

Anonymous — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:14:58 GMT

??

In Belgium you are charged zero euro license transfer fee.
I guess most of the second-hand licenses for sale are suspended anyway (no more upgrade) and having a new owner means $$

On the other hand you have the local market playing.
- Belgium has a small (active) user base so every user counts !

Re: Upgrade Pricing form AC 11 To 12 around the world.

Richard Morrison — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:22:41 GMT

Dwight wrote:
since a software license is exactly that - an intellectual property license, not a refrigerator.

Or maybe it is. See THIS.

Re: Upgrade Pricing form AC 11 To 12 around the world.

Dwight — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:57:44 GMT

They will have him killed.

Re: Upgrade Pricing form AC 11 To 12 around the world.

Anonymous — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:52:51 GMT

I paid Indian Rs 34000/- ($900 approx) for ArchiCAD 10 18 months back under a promotional offer. What the upgrade cost would be now ?