topic Re: Half Stone Half Brick Wall in Modeling

Half Stone Half Brick Wall

Anonymous — Wed, 24 May 2023 07:04:13 GMT

What would be the best method to model a wall where the water table is like 5' off the 1st finished floor and it is stone with a stone lip and then everything above that wall to be brick. (We do different height water tables all the time).

Also on the hunt for a cover fill or lack of better words a "hatch" for a wall representing the different kinds of stone. Stack stone, river rock etc. Just would like to be able to draw the walls like the structure will be built so when shown in 3D it would show the different materials.

Re: Half Stone Half Brick Wall

David Maudlin — Wed, 12 Feb 2014 14:16:11 GMT

JLKilgore wrote:
What would be the best method to model a wall where the water table is like 5' off the 1st finished floor and it is stone with a stone lip and then everything above that wall to be brick. (We do different height water tables all the time).

You can create a Profiled Wall, create it for the shortest instance (Profiles Walls cab be made taller, but not shorter). Pay attention to the location of the Vertical Stretch line locations to control the position of the water table.

JLKilgore wrote:
Also on the hunt for a cover fill or lack of better words a "hatch" for a wall representing the different kinds of stone. Stack stone, river rock etc. Just would like to be able to draw the walls like the structure will be built so when shown in 3D it would show the different materials.

Open the ArchiCAD template file, under Fills > Symbol Fills there are a variety of stone vectorial fills. These can be copied into your project file, or you can use Attribute Manager to transfer them.

David

Re: Half Stone Half Brick Wall

Anonymous — Wed, 12 Feb 2014 14:27:53 GMT

I will give that a shot. So if I have a wall with stone like 12" above the 1st f.f. and then need another one at 36" above 1st f.f., I just need to make the different wall types?

I will also give the vecortial fills a look. I have never really messed with them but better late than never.

Thanks for the ideas.

Re: Half Stone Half Brick Wall

Barry Kelly — Thu, 13 Feb 2014 01:41:11 GMT

JLKilgore wrote:
I will give that a shot. So if I have a wall with stone like 12" above the 1st f.f. and then need another one at 36" above 1st f.f., I just need to make the different wall types?

If you make the complex profile as David has show with the vertical stretch lines (they are the horizontal ones!) at the top and bottom of your stone section then you only need the one profile as you can adjust the wall height bigger (not smaller) when required.
However the brickwork above will remain the same size (i.e. always 6').
So if you want the top of the wall to remain constant and the stonework to change height then this won't work - unless you use SEO to cut the top off.

If you need the stonework and brickwork to both be adjustable (i.e. keeping the overall wall height the same but just adjusting the top of the stonework/base of brickwork level then you will need to create a profile for different height of stonework with the brick above it.

Or create just the stonework profile which will be adjustable and then place a separate brick wall above it.
This will cause problems if you have openings that span from the brickwork into the stonework as you have two separate walls.
Works well if your openings are entirely in just the brick protion.
Your stone wall will simply be a foundation wall.

Barry.

Re: Half Stone Half Brick Wall

David Maudlin — Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:13:08 GMT

JLKilgore wrote:
So if I have a wall with stone like 12" above the 1st f.f. and then need another one at 36" above 1st f.f., I just need to make the different wall types?

Yes, just duplicate the Profiled Wall, use the Marquee Tool to stretch the water table and Vertical Stretch line in one operation, and save the Profile. (The Store Profile commands have changed a bit in AC17 from previous versions).

David

Re: Half Stone Half Brick Wall

Anonymous — Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:38:05 GMT

I did what was suggested but the walls where they clean up show brick on the ends. Is there any way to change the sides to read the same material as the fronts?

But thanks for the help it looks exactly how I need it.

Re: Half Stone Half Brick Wall

Barry Kelly — Fri, 14 Feb 2014 01:46:18 GMT

Unfortunately not.
The entire ends (and inside of openings) of the complex profile only have one material that you can set in the wall tool settings.

The only way you can control it better is to have separate walls for the stone and the brick.

Barry.

Re: Half Stone Half Brick Wall

David Maudlin — Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:49:19 GMT

JLKilgore wrote:
I did what was suggested but the walls where they clean up show brick on the ends. Is there any way to change the sides to read the same material as the fronts?

This has changed a bit in AC17 with the new Building Materials attribute, but still has issues for wall ends, as well as openings. One work around is to convert a copy of the wall into a Morph, then pick off the appropriate Morph faces and change their Surface (Material) assignment. These Morphs can then be copied around the model as needed.

David

Re: Half Stone Half Brick Wall

Barry Kelly — Mon, 17 Feb 2014 02:50:25 GMT

In 17 complex profiles will show the end materials as you want so long as you turn legacy mode of and also turn off the surface over-ride.

Still doesn't show them properly at door/window edges but maybe this could be solved with some creative scripting.

Barry.

Re: Half Stone Half Brick Wall

David Maudlin — Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:11:37 GMT

Barry wrote:
Still doesn't show them properly at door/window edges but maybe this could be solved with some creative scripting.

I don't think there are Global Variables available in GDL to get enough information about the host wall to accomplish this automatically.

David

Re: Half Stone Half Brick Wall

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:49:02 GMT

Another option is Dwight's technique in this thread:

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=14945

Also this thread which addresses this particular wall better:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=20472

Re: Half Stone Half Brick Wall

Barry Kelly — Tue, 18 Feb 2014 01:59:03 GMT

David wrote:
Barry wrote:
Still doesn't show them properly at door/window edges but maybe this could be solved with some creative scripting.
I don't think there are Global Variables available in GDL to get enough information about the host wall to accomplish this automatically.

David

Not to do it automatically.
But it would be possible to create parameters for manual input of the height and material for the stonework so that a thin veneer could be modelled at the side of the opening.
Far from a perfect solution though.
Barry.

Re: Half Stone Half Brick Wall

Anonymous — Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:53:14 GMT

My issue is that when I try to change the material like shown above in other suggestions, it is greyed out and non-selectable. I tried several different ways but it always shows brick, and I cant change it anywhere.

Is that a bug? like my file has something wrong with it, or I made the profile wrong or is it something that can be fixed?

Re: Half Stone Half Brick Wall

Barry Kelly — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 02:16:23 GMT

Only the end surface of a complex profile wall is editable in 16.
The other surfaces must be edited in the Profile Editor.

Is this end surface greyed out for you as well?

Barry.

Re: Half Stone Half Brick Wall

Erwin Edel — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 07:52:54 GMT

I've tried to figure this out in the past, but nope, the GDL variable returns the material the window/door 'hits' at the bottom, you can't get multiple materials.

Re: Half Stone Half Brick Wall

Barry Kelly — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 08:01:45 GMT

Erwin wrote:
I've tried to figure this out in the past, but nope, the GDL variable returns the material the window/door 'hits' at the bottom, you can't get multiple materials.

Understandable as a complex profile could have any number of materials at any location and any shape.
So you would have to add some parameters for the manual input of materials and material heights.
Probably easier to add small walls to the inside of the openings as mentioned in the linked posts that Karl mentioned.
Barry.

Re: Half Stone Half Brick Wall

Anonymous — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:42:37 GMT

I am on 17. It just seems like that if I make a complex profile, bottom stone, a stone cap and then brick on top it would clean up per material on the elevations. I just get the default brick shown.

I am lost on the "little walls" idea. It shows where I could change it if need be but it is greyed out. Oh well, I am just going to make separate walls that clean up correctly.

Thanks for the help though.

Re: Half Stone Half Brick Wall

Anonymous — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:29:26 GMT

I did contact a friend and they changed it for me with no problems, but I don't have the option to change it. Not sure why he could and I can't.

Re: Half Stone Half Brick Wall

Laszlo Nagy — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 15:33:54 GMT

Those surface buttons work differently in AC17 than in previous versions.
In AC17 there is an Override activating button to the left of each long Surface button. This is because the Surfaces of Wall skins come from the Building Materials. If you activate the Override for any of the sides (outside, inside, edge) you can define an override for that surface.
In AC16 and before these long buttons were always enabled so there was no need to activate an override button.
In the Construction Elements page of the Project Preferences Dialog, you can use the "Use legacy intersection methods for model elements" checkbox to switch between how elements intersect. If the checkbox is turned off, those overrider buttons have a role, if it is checked, they do not.
So I think the state of this checkbox was different for you and your collegue.

Re: Half Stone Half Brick Wall

Anonymous — Tue, 04 Mar 2014 10:04:22 GMT

I also had this problem in one of our projects. I kinda solved it using empty openings. I used an empty opening for each layer of material. I found out that you first have to insert the empty openings and then the door. I did add hotspots within the complex profile so I could snap the openings to the correct height. Not the ideal solution but it works...