topic Re: Mirror a copy and Duplicate one in Modeling

Mirror a copy and Duplicate one

Anonymous — Thu, 13 Nov 2003 02:37:02 GMT

Will be these commands from 7 available in 8?
I cannot switch to 8 without then

Re: Mirror a copy and Duplicate one

Aussie John — Thu, 13 Nov 2003 02:59:58 GMT

yes but needs a preference change. Alternately use the command key as you drag or copy to create dup. (opt/command makes multiple copies)

Re: Mirror a copy and Duplicate one

David Larrew — Thu, 13 Nov 2003 05:03:26 GMT

AA,

The setting that you are looking for is located under "Options/Preferences/Miscellaneous" in the pull-down menu... Check the "Show Element Copy Transformation Commands in Edit Menu". This also should restore the hot-key functions ("Ctrl+D", "Ctrl+Shift+D", etc.).

But I recommend you learn and embrace the new "on-the-fly" "Ctrl"/"Cmd" key functionalities as well as the pet palettes. I have to admit that I fought changing from my familiar keystrokes - but once I did, I never looked back.

Re: Mirror a copy and Duplicate one

Ben Odonnell — Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:11:42 GMT

I agree with David. The new method of dragging, rotating and mirroring copies is much better and much faster, once you get to know them of course

Re: Mirror a copy and Duplicate one

James Murray — Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:15:28 GMT

'Cmd+D Cmd' (for drag a copy, for example) is the way to go. I thought the decision to make the copy transformations a pref was high-handed, but I get it now.

Typing Cmd turns any drag into drag-a-copy, whether it was started as a Cmd+D or with the arrow tool.

The new way has the added benefit of acting as a toggle; type Cmd again to switch back to a plain drag.

It also gets you away from entanglement in showing/hiding the Dock, which uses Cmd+Opt+D, and has been an intermittent problem for me. (In panther you can turn this off.)

Re: Mirror a copy and Duplicate one

Anonymous — Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:24:39 GMT

I like the new methods of dragging a copy, but not mirror. I cannot find a way to define a mirror point off of the object when mirroring using the pet pallet. If this is available, please let me know. Using the pallet is definitely faster than the key commands.

Re: Mirror a copy and Duplicate one

__archiben — Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:08:52 GMT

ALL BEWARE!

graphisoft have changed the 'Cmd-D Cmd' to 'Cmd-D Alt' in 8.1 - presumably because it toggled itself on and off too many times whilst panning around: 'Cmd-,'. (ie clicking the Cmd button again to invoke another function turns off the "a-copy" bit of the "drag-a-copy").

this is probably more the case for mac users with a single button mouse - no scroll-zoom or click-pan.

what happens now of course is that placing the user origin on the fly: 'Alt-Shift', (which i tend to do a lot), toggles the "a-copy" off again!

it's not as sensitive as using the 'Cmd' buttom, so it is an improvement, and the order in which you 'Alt'+'Shift' seems to play a part in whether or not the "a-copy" gets turned off.

LOOK OUT!
~/archiben

Re: Mirror a copy and Duplicate one

Anonymous — Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:18:22 GMT

I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong or there is a bug in 8.1, but I can't drag a copy (+). I can drag multiple copies (++) but not a single copy.

This is what I do: I select the item I want to move, press command D and then option click on the item. I see the + symbol but the item itself is dragged, not a copy. If I press command and option instead of just option, click, then I see ++ and can drag multiple copies.

Any ideal why I can't drag just a single copy (+)?

I'm using 8.1 on a Mac.

Thanks,

Stephen

Re: Mirror a copy and Duplicate one

Aussie John — Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:28:03 GMT

Stephen
after you have issued your command (eg command-d to move command -m to mirror)
- press the command key for a single copy
opt command for multiple copy-

no additional click with mouse until you want to place it

Re: Mirror a copy and Duplicate one

Anonymous — Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:22:57 GMT

Aussie wrote:
Stephen
after you have issued your command (eg command-d to move command -m to mirror)
- press the command key for a single copy
opt command for multiple copy-

no additional click with mouse until you want to place it

This is now changed in AC8.1 to: press option/alt for a copy and add command/control for multiple copies.

Re: Mirror a copy and Duplicate one

__archiben — Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:25:46 GMT

Matthew wrote:
This is now changed in AC8.1 to: press option/alt for a copy and add command/control for multiple copies.

... command + alt(option) for multiple copies . . . see my post further up the list also.

~/archiben

Re: Mirror a copy and Duplicate one

Aussie John — Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:25:09 GMT

Matthew wrote:

This is now changed in AC8.1 to: press option/alt for a copy and add command/control for multiple copies.

Sheesh just got used to the 8.0 way (Missed your earlier post Ben)

Re: Mirror a copy and Duplicate one

Anonymous — Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:09:39 GMT

Does the new drag-copy work for any windows users out there. It looks like the Apple users aren't having any problems. but mine does not. If I hit Control, it works. But, of course, it supposed to be alt not control that we use now. Alt doesn't work at all on mine and control works but if I hit it inadvertantly, I can't release it from that copy mode no matter what I hit. The multiple drag does work still (alt+control+drag), just not the single copy. Am I the only windows user having this problem or is this a bug?

Re: Mirror a copy and Duplicate one

Djordje — Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:43:25 GMT

virtual-e-home wrote:
Does the new drag-copy work for any windows users out there.

Yep.

Start the Drag (Rotate, Mirror ...) command, hit CTRL for ... a copy, CTRL ALT for ... multiple. If you hit CTRL first, and then ralize you need multiple, just hit ALT after that.

Works nicely on W2K and XP, regardless of the keyboard setup and CapsLock (usually off in my case).

Re: Mirror a copy and Duplicate one

Anonymous — Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:51:54 GMT

Thanks for the reply, Djorde. But wait a minute. I thought that in 8.1, we are now using alt instead of ctrl to drag a copy. Everything you describe is the way that I perfectly, without any problems, did in in 8.0. 8.1 is what I'm having problems with now, maybe I need to reinstall it

Re: Mirror a copy and Duplicate one

Anonymous — Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:53:30 GMT

Oops, sorry I misspelled your name in the last post, Djordje

Re: Mirror a copy and Duplicate one

Djordje — Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:45:40 GMT

virtual-e-home wrote:
Thanks for the reply, Djorde. But wait a minute. I thought that in 8.1, we are now using alt instead of ctrl to drag a copy. Everything you describe is the way that I perfectly, without any problems, did in in 8.0. 8.1 is what I'm having problems with now, maybe I need to reinstall it

Maybe it is different in the US?

I am just publishing some stuff (2AM, duh ...) and I did a lot of copying tonight - CTRL for ... a copy, CTRL ALT for multiple.

Did not touch the shortcuts. Out of the DVD box.

No problem about the spelling, I am used to it

Re: Mirror a copy and Duplicate one

Anonymous — Wed, 03 Dec 2003 22:53:19 GMT

Ok, are there any US version Archicaders out there that are having the same problem as I am on the Windows version? Or do I stand alone with this problem? If so, I'll reinstall.

Re: Mirror a copy and Duplicate one

Anonymous — Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:18:12 GMT

Thank you SOO much u guys for covering this. I have one other question- u covered mirror and copy to multiples. Have we lost the ability to copy with the rotate command??

Re: Mirror a copy and Duplicate one

David Larrew — Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:36:27 GMT

Divinity3d wrote:
Thank you SOO much u guys for covering this. I have one other question- u covered mirror and copy to multiples. Have we lost the ability to copy with the rotate command??

No, the "Rotate" command/pet pallete works with the "Ctrl/Cmd" and "Alt" key functions as well.