topic Re: FRENCH DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS - HOW TO GET THE SAME? in Modeling

FRENCH DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS - HOW TO GET THE SAME?

rob2218 — Tue, 23 May 2023 16:07:11 GMT

see attached image.
I have selected a french door panel.
I have the flexibility of adjusting the side, top and bottom rails of the french door but am only limited to adjusting the "frame width" of the sidelights....how can I adjust the bottom frame height of the sidelight to match the door bottom rail??? Please don't tell me this is not built into the programming?...please.

Re: FRENCH DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS - HOW TO GET THE SAME?

Anonymous — Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:32:22 GMT

Rob,

My workaround is to use another door for the sidelight and gang it/them. Then set for no Marker and an ID that allows me to exclude it from my door schedule. Not ideal but it works.

Of course you can buy 3rd party libraries that are consistent and full featured. Many AC users swear by them.

Snap

Re: FRENCH DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS - HOW TO GET THE SAME?

Stress Co_ — Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:37:36 GMT

Assuming your using "2D 2Sidelight 14" .....
Select and Create a Custom sidelight panel.
(It's in the sidelight parameters).

What a useless door object.

Re: FRENCH DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS - HOW TO GET THE SAME?

Ralph Wessel — Wed, 06 Jul 2011 17:35:07 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
how can I adjust the bottom frame height of the sidelight to match the door bottom rail???

You could do this with the Modular Joinery object - refer to the attached image. The rails and sashes on all sides are fully and individually adjustable for every door and window within the unit. The object should be freely available from your reseller.

Re: FRENCH DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS - HOW TO GET THE SAME?

rob2218 — Wed, 06 Jul 2011 17:45:48 GMT

what is "modular joinery objects" and you are telling my reseller has them?
Really? huh.

What is modular joinery objects anyway?

Also....how does that particular door you showed in the brick wall show up on the schedules?

Re: FRENCH DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS - HOW TO GET THE SAME?

Ralph Wessel — Wed, 06 Jul 2011 17:59:18 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
What is modular joinery objects anyway?
Also....how does that particular door you showed in the brick wall show up on the schedules?

For some background on the object, follow the link I put in my previous post (http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=26789). Essentially, it is a door/window object commissioned by Graphisoft UK to meet the requirements of local architects. It may have broad applications elsewhere too. The object is freely distributed (through resellers) to people on subscription.

The object can represent any number or doors, windows, or panels within a single unit (hence the 'modular' moniker). It was initially designed to cope with doors/windows like those produced by Velfac, which allow practically any combination you like. It's impractical to try to replicate this kind of product with the standard library, and hence the development of this object.

In schedules, this appears as a single item (see attached image).

Re: FRENCH DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS - HOW TO GET THE SAME?

Anonymous — Wed, 06 Jul 2011 20:23:31 GMT

It really smokes my stoke that GS keeps the MJO a secret. Available only by special handshake and blood bond indeed.
Shows GS's true colors, Stuff the users, but please don't offend the 3rd party vendors!

Ralph your work is great, but GS is behaving badly by any standards.

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Re: FRENCH DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS - HOW TO GET THE SAME?

Anonymous — Wed, 06 Jul 2011 22:57:09 GMT

Can Rob/someone post up the US version of the french door, as well as the macro that is called for in the master script? (You will need to zip them.)

I had a look at the INT code and it's quite easy to edit, only requiring very minor edits to two macros (gs_general_door_macro & ui_door_side_list). Hopefully the US parts have the same coding; and if so, it 'should' be a ten minute job.

Does the User Interface look much different?

Re: FRENCH DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS - HOW TO GET THE SAME?

rob2218 — Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:31:14 GMT

I figured that it would be a no brainer to include a macro that "adds" two settings to vary the bottom, top, side rails of a sidelight connected to a french door.

I'll try to see how I can extract that french door GSM object along with it's scripting and post it/email it to you Peter.....

Would that "modular joinery" object do the same trick?

Just curious.

Re: FRENCH DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS - HOW TO GET THE SAME?

Ralph Wessel — Sat, 09 Jul 2011 16:36:32 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
Would that "modular joinery" object do the same trick?

The MJO allows you to edit just about everything, certainly independent sash and rail widths. There is far more in this object than can be described in a single message, but I'll illustrate the salient points. Refer to the attached image:

1. This shows the main panel of the MJO settings. In this panel, you have very detailed control over the modular content, frame detailing, construction, and opening geometry. An illustration of the completed unit is shown to the left. You simply click on a panel to view and edit its characteristics. Panels can be freely added, deleted, or resized (a bit like a spreadsheet or table layout). However, it can be more complex than a simple table, because frames can be nested in frames, all of which have a completely different setout.

In this case, I've selected one of the sidelight windows, and selected the sash settings. I can not only set the left/right sash size, but also the construction and materials (see the notes on the image).

2. The sash/rail sizes can also be interactively edited by stretching in 3D or section/elevation. The sash/rail hotspots are only displayed for the window/door selected in the settings panel, but this can be changed with a toggle switch in the middle of every door/window. When the switch is toggled on, the additional hotspots appear. Only one door/window does this at a time to avoid cluttering the object with hotspots.

3. The base rail stretched in elevation.

4. The left sash stretched in elevation.

5. The top rail stretched in elevation.

6. The right sash stretched in elevation.

7. You can even zoom into every door/window and edit the characteristics of individual panes, setting the size, divisions (for something like leadlight divisions within the pane), and materials. I'm setting the top and bottom row of panes to a different size (in the opposite sidelight).

8. The result of my editing in 3D (doesn't look great, but illustrates the possibilities.)

I think this will be a much easier route than trying to become a GDL programmer (and it's free). Be very wary of trying to change door/window macros - they are shared by any number of objects, and a change that works for one may destroy others. There is no documentation for their functionality, which may change from one version to another (so be prepared to have to do the same hack following very update, or discover the hard way that the hack has broken).

Re: FRENCH DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS - HOW TO GET THE SAME?

rob2218 — Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:01:41 GMT

Wow!...seems like an awesome functionality. Now...why isnt' something like this just simply "INCLUDED" in the out of the box door functionality of the software? Is it because this is a 3rd party software object and only given to UK folks???......What's the deal with this object?
Also, will AC15 have this much control over it's doors/window joinery objects? Is there a Multi-Joinery object in AC15 out of the box???

Re: FRENCH DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS - HOW TO GET THE SAME?

Ralph Wessel — Mon, 11 Jul 2011 16:21:20 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
Wow!...seems like an awesome functionality. Now...why isnt' something like this just simply "INCLUDED" in the out of the box door functionality of the software? Is it because this is a 3rd party software object and only given to UK folks???

That illustration barely scratches the surface - it does a lot more. Graphisoft UK, which commissioned (and own) the object, have made it available to resellers around the world to distribute to customers (for free). But communication generally seems to be a bit broken and I suspect the vast majority of users have no idea it exists.

I've been told it can't be included in the standard library because - in a nutshell - it's different, i.e. doesn't use the macros that other doors/windows do and has a different user interface. It's a classic catch-22 because it has to be different to do what it does. The object is a great showcase for what GDL is capable of, and it has been frustrating to see it held back.

Re: FRENCH DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS - HOW TO GET THE SAME?

rob2218 — Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:07:00 GMT

yeah....so the only downside is that you have to make sure you load "another" library into your BIM database...ok. That's not too bad. it's ok. Wonder if AC15 has this type of customization with regards to it's doors/windows?

Re: FRENCH DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS - HOW TO GET THE SAME?

Stress Co_ — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 06:05:21 GMT

Update:
D2 2Sidelight 16 door object....... Still useless

Re: FRENCH DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS - HOW TO GET THE SAME?

rob2218 — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 14:42:02 GMT

Geez....when the heck will we ever get some form of NANAWALL door for Pete's sake!!!???...

These doors are being used everywhere and to think we don't have one available in the U.S. version of Archicad?

Re: FRENCH DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS - HOW TO GET THE SAME?

matthewjj — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 01:09:44 GMT

Try the Storefront object with a transom. You can dig into the old school parameters and there is a section called "shape" the first option listed is a toggle to turn the transom on/off. The sidelights lower rail can be edited in the parameters as well.