topic Re: Medieval openings in Modeling

Medieval openings

Anonymous — Thu, 25 May 2023 16:10:43 GMT

Does anyone know how to model window/door openings like this?

Re: Medieval openings

Anonymous — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:41:40 GMT

You can now model this without in AC12 without cheating. Use the 'splayed reveal' option on the 'W Arched Cas 12' window (under Special Windows).

There are still some bugs, however. i.e. the very top horizontal glazing bar is only half the thickness it should be, and also the splayed sides display incorrectly from half way up the window if you have a stepped back splay.

If you have AC11 or below, you may have to combine a similar window with an SEO cut away from the wall and a separate splayed empty opening so the plan displays correctly. Not a pretty solution, I'm afraid!

Quote wrote:
You should add a Signature to your Profile (click the Profile button near the top of this page) with your ArchiCAD version and operating system (see mine for an example) for more accurate help in this forum.

This is a good example where your particular version of AC makes a difference to the answer!

Hope that helps!

Re: Medieval openings

Anonymous — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 06:41:11 GMT

Peter wrote:
You can now model this without in AC12 without cheating. Use the 'splayed reveal' option on the 'W Arched Cas 12' window (under Special Windows).

There are still some bugs, however. i.e. the very top horizontal glazing bar is only half the thickness it should be, and also the splayed sides display incorrectly from half way up the window if you have a stepped back splay.

If you have AC11 or below, you may have to combine a similar window with an SEO cut away from the wall and a separate splayed empty opening so the plan displays correctly. Not a pretty solution, I'm afraid!

Quote wrote:
You should add a Signature to your Profile (click the Profile button near the top of this page) with your ArchiCAD version and operating system (see mine for an example) for more accurate help in this forum.
This is a good example where your particular version of AC makes a difference to the answer!

Hope that helps!

Thanks for you answer.

I use (don't tumble!) Archicad 9. What is a SEO cut away? As far as I know, I couldn't find a splayed opening, all openings are not-splayed.

And there is another window opening that I'm trying to create: gothic arch, of course, splayed.

(All these are from an old church (1653) that I'm trying to model. I gave up, and made the plans and elevations from lines and arcs.)

Re: Medieval openings

Ralph Wessel — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:21:58 GMT

cris2d2 wrote:
I use (don't tumble!) Archicad 9. What is a SEO cut away? As far as I know, I couldn't find a splayed opening, all openings are not-splayed. (All these are from an old church (1653) that I'm trying to model. I gave up, and made the plans and elevations from lines and arcs.)

Take a look at OBJECTiVE. It's perfect for modelling details like this, allowing you to profile, bend, rotate, and cut in 3D. You can model details like this directly in a section/elevation window too, and it can be used with all versions of ArchiCAD from 8.1 to 12. The attached example image shows an elevation and render modelled using OBJECTIVE. The elevation is almost entirely generated by ArchiCAD, with a bit of weighted line-work overlaid to liven it up a bit.

You can find out more at: http://www.encina.co.uk/objective.html

There is also an example video clip showing how some of the example image was modelled (about half-way through the clip I think): http://www.encina.co.uk/obj_bend_movie.html

Re: Medieval openings

David Maudlin — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:46:01 GMT

cris2d2 wrote:
I use (don't tumble!) Archicad 9. What is a SEO cut away?

Solid Element Operations, it is there in version 9. The operation only appears in 3D, so you will still need to do extra line/fill work for the plan of the window. This could also be accomplished with GDL, but unless you have some knowledge of GDL, that is not the quickest way.

And from the horse's mouth 😉:
You should add a Signature to your Profile (click the Profile button near the top of this page) with your ArchiCAD version and operating system (see mine for an example) for more accurate help in this forum.

David

Re: Medieval openings

Anonymous — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:09:34 GMT

Ralph
I tried once again to download one of your movies (splayed opening arch window).
I have,(as most) dsl and yet it "timed out".
Don't have other movie down load issues, so you might want to check this out from your end, or lower the mb.
Bier

Re: Medieval openings

Ralph Wessel — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 18:13:22 GMT

Bier wrote:
I tried once again to download one of your movies (splayed opening arch window).
I have,(as most) dsl and yet it "timed out".
Don't have other movie down load issues, so you might want to check this out from your end, or lower the mb.

I ran a quick test with XP (IE, Firefox) and Mac OS (Safari) and the movie played without problems, starting within a few seconds in most cases. It relies on Quicktime for playback - do you have a reasonably recent version installed?

Re: Medieval openings

Anonymous — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 11:51:30 GMT

Ralph wrote:
Take a look at OBJECTiVE. It's perfect for modelling details like this, allowing you to profile, bend, rotate, and cut in 3D. You can model details like this directly in a section/elevation window too, and it can be used with all versions of ArchiCAD from 8.1 to 12. The attached example image shows an elevation and render modelled using OBJECTIVE. The elevation is almost entirely generated by ArchiCAD, with a bit of weighted line-work overlaid to liven it up a bit.

Wow, this is nice. Will it show up in plan, also?

[David, thanks for signature suggestion , I did change it ]

Re: Medieval openings

Anonymous — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:57:23 GMT

Ralph
Well I do have Q.T. 7.1.3 installed, but it was opening with Real Player.
Did not hang with Q.T., but still takes a while and streaming can't keep up with play speed. No big deal.
I'm not sure if it makes a difference, but from Uk to West Coast is a lot of
stone throws for 75mb.
Maybe that is why it seems so slow to me.
You do seem to have a really nice product.
Bier

Re: Medieval openings

Ralph Wessel — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:05:05 GMT

cris2d2 wrote:
Ralph wrote:
Take a look at OBJECTiVE. It's perfect for modelling details like this...
Wow, this is nice. Will it show up in plan, also?

Anything modelled with OBJECTiVE appears in plan as it would look in the 3D window (if you looked straight down on it).

Re: Medieval openings

Ralph Wessel — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:12:08 GMT

Bier wrote:
Did not hang with Q.T., but still takes a while and streaming can't keep up with play speed. No big deal.
I'm not sure if it makes a difference, but from Uk to West Coast is a lot of
stone throws for 75mb.

I'll see if I can achieve a higher compression level in the clip without destroying the detail. I'm not certain where my ISP's servers are based, but they definitely aren't in the UK. I think they might be housed in Germany? Either way, it should work as well as a US-based server - in theory

Re: Medieval openings

Anonymous — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:22:35 GMT

Today, I've been able to talk to a friend that works Archicad 12 already.

Anyway, he told me that in this version only, he saw Arched Casement Window that can have a custom reveal (a splayed or historical, as these are called). Very nice implementation, but it's too late for me, I don't know when I'm going to upgrade to A12. I'm stuck to A9, for now.

They proved it can be done, but it took 12 versions of this program to implement this special window/opening.

So, is there a way to migrate only the reveal settings of these windows to previous versions of archicad window objects (V9 at least )?

Re: Medieval openings

David Maudlin — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:05:44 GMT

cris2d2 wrote:
So, is there a way to migrate only the reveal settings of these windows to previous versions of archicad window objects (V9 at least )?

There is no easy or simple way to do this, and it is possible that the code involved uses features not available in version 9.

David

Re: Medieval openings

Anonymous — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:34:32 GMT

You can do this already, certainly in Archicad 11. As far as I remember you could do it in 10 too. See Help

"Door/Window Reveal Panel
The Reveal panel’s controls are only active if you have chosen the Reveal construction method in the Preview and Positioning panel.
You can customize here the various elements of the reveal, such as the Head Depth, Sill/Threshold Depth, left and right Jamb Depth and Reveal Depth"

Set up your window and go to the reveal panel, and then set up the angle of your reveal...

Am I missing the point?

Re: Medieval openings

piton — Wed, 06 May 2009 12:58:11 GMT

Is it a bug or a feature that the top reveal of arched wall opening must be the same as the side reveals?
This way the arch of the reveal is not parallel with the opening's arch, which looks very ugly.
And why isn't the historic reveal available?