topic Re: Ganging WDW's in AC12 in Modeling

Ganging WDW's in AC12

Anonymous — Fri, 26 May 2023 12:47:36 GMT

Used to in 11 you had the ganging option in the window dialog box with how wide you wanted the ganging to be.

In 12, that ganging selection box is still there but no size of the mull you want. Is it located somewhere else or did they do away with that (hope not)

Re: Ganging WDW's in AC12

Anonymous — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:59:03 GMT

Just to back this up....here's the AC 11 Ganging option JLKilgore is talking about.... I use this a lot too, it would be unjust to do away with this option in future versions of AC....

Re: Ganging WDW's in AC12

Karl Ottenstein — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 02:05:32 GMT

Ouch. Yes, this seems to be gone!

Just strained my brain trying to dig through the macros in the 11 vs 12 library to find what was going on in 11 and is in 12. All I can say is there appears to be some heavy black magic behind the scenes that handles ganging...and the parameter that was set by the UI in 11 does not exist in the 12 library, so they either (a) did leave this feature out, or (b) rewrote it but forgot to display the new parameter.

I agree that this seems to be a significant loss in functionality. Will report it.

Karl

Re: Ganging WDW's in AC12

Anonymous — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:46:23 GMT

Could we hope this could be fixed by this afternoon??? Maybe?....

That is a shame, really going to put a damper on people who need to gang windows and have their soldier courses and bottom trim look all wonky.

GS, you HAVEEEE to fix this!

Thanks

Re: Ganging WDW's in AC12

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:07:39 GMT

The confirmed omission is now in the bug-fixing queue...

Karl

Re: Ganging WDW's in AC12

Anonymous — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:15:29 GMT

Karl wrote:
The confirmed omission is now in the bug-fixing queue...

Karl

Karl, do you mean in the US bug fixing queue or will it be in the INT version also???
I've never seen it before.

Greetings, J

Re: Ganging WDW's in AC12

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:33:46 GMT

Joeri wrote:
Karl wrote:
The confirmed omission is now in the bug-fixing queue...

Karl
Karl, do you mean in the US bug fixing queue or will it be in the INT version also???
I've never seen it before.

The US Library bug fixing queue. If a similar parameter existing in the INT (and other) library before and is now gone, I imagine they will fix things there as well...

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Ganging WDW's in AC12

Barbara Sommer — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:14:47 GMT

Defining the Spacing Width when activating Ganging is not possible anymore, but instead of that you can define a Horizontal and Vertical Tolerance
The only difference here is that when changing tolerance the rough opening width/height is changing according to this.
So this new parameter should replace the Spacing Width. In case you have some example where it does not ... now is the time to let us know.

Re: Ganging WDW's in AC12

Karl Ottenstein — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:10:43 GMT

Barbara wrote:
In case you have some example where it does not ... now is the time to let us know.

Thank you for responding here, Barbara!

This parameter seems to do the same thing for me as the 11 parameter, although the location is less convenient.

See the attached screenshot. Two W1 Casement 12 windows are ganged with default settings on the top. Changing the 1/4" 'tolerance' to 3" did change the framing/mullion space to 6" overall.

Visually, there is a joint line where the two window meet. This line is absent in the 11 symbol, which I prefer, since one may have a solid framing member in that space.

So, I think it behaves the same as the old param - but the result is not visually correct? What do others think?

On a related issue: by cutting through the casing, the UI suggests that the casing should have been stretched, too, but it is not. In fact, I cannot find a parameter i that will let me make the ganged casing a different width than the other vertical casing. Does anyone know how to accomplish this?

Thanks,
Karl

Re: Ganging WDW's in AC12

Anonymous — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:40:28 GMT

Sorry, misunderstood question.
Deleted my verbose response.
Bier

Re: Ganging WDW's in AC12

Anonymous — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 05:25:46 GMT

Despite the need, I can't achieve two ganging windows with a single post in between (situation B). I need it on regular basis.

I've tried in AC12 : window frame of 3 cm + spacing at reveal (situation C).
So I get a correct 3D representation but the inner lines in the 2D window frame are absolutely not done!

Re: Ganging WDW's in AC12

Anonymous — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 05:29:49 GMT

Why didn't you GS add the option "custom window frame width" instead of uniform width? This would help a lot and not too difficult to achieve.... I guess

See picture.

Re: Ganging WDW's in AC12

Anonymous — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:57:52 GMT

Karl, thanks for telling the people at graphisoft about the ganging issue in ac12. I feel a whole lot better.

Re: Ganging WDW's in AC12

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 08:39:13 GMT

You can do the same (maybe it will make you feel a bit better ).
You can report it to your dealer (and all users can report them to their respective dealers), and it will get to GS.
Karl reported it.
I also reported it through a different channel.
The more sources they get it from the more probable something will be done about it soon.

Re: Ganging WDW's in AC12

Anonymous — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:37:02 GMT

Hey thanks for pointing that out Laszlo. I didn't know we can report matters like this directly to our dealer.

Re: Ganging WDW's in AC12

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:07:06 GMT

Yes, that is the standard line of reporting with GS and works pretty well as far as I know. I mean the message or bug report actually gets to GS.

Re: Ganging WDW's in AC12

Anonymous — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:36:13 GMT

The day I discovered it was missing I thought maybe GS just made the option work differently. I spent more time than I should have trying to "fake" it but the window never meshed like it did in AC11 with the ganging option being able to be set by the user.

I came real close in plan but in elevation it looked ok at the bottom and with the casing but the brick soldier course was realllly wonky looking. Not acceptable to pass.

I will pass it on to my reseller too. didn't know that was an avenue to explore either

Re: Ganging WDW's in AC12

Thomas Holm — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:22:00 GMT

Joeri wrote:
Despite the need, I can't achieve two ganging windows with a single post in between (situation B).

I guess I'm the usual moron, but perhaps someone could clarify this to me:

While AC12's behavior might be inconvenient in some cases, I find it more logical and correct than AC11's. If I interprete your request correctly, you (and Karl) are trying to construct one W2 casement window by ganging two W1 casement windows. I find AC12's refusal to remove the joint line quite to the point, if ganging/combining of several windows with individual frames is wanted.

If, on the other hand, this feature (like some seem to do in AC11) is used to construct a multi-sashed window, with one (common) mullion (frame part) between any two sashes (Joeri's situation B), don't we need other parameters instead? Not only a switch to remove the joint line, but also a width parameter for common mullions (which normally differs from the outer frame dimension), and perhaps more, like different dimensions for vertical/horizontal etc.

Seems to me you're actually asking for a Windowmaker! But that's a third-party option today, or you'll have to use the AC11 storefront, or something else.

And, if you just want 2 sashes, why not use the W2 window?

Also I can't see the problem with putting a structural member between two windows. I do that often. Naturally, they're not "ganged" anymore, but you can always group them, etc etc.

Please explain this issue to me!

Re: Ganging WDW's in AC12

Anonymous — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:11:42 GMT

How I used it on a daily basis at the firm I worked in was that some designs called for a skinny mull in between the windows (1") and some thicker (3"-6") depending on what the designer wanted. (residential)

We had several people try to figure out a new way or different way to get the same effect but never could get it to work or mesh as smoothly as the option that was available in AC11. Sometimes we have 4 and 5 ganged windows and may specify that in between each window there be a 3" mull. Before, I just specified that the ganging be 1/2 that width and VIOLA it meshed with no snags what so ever. Brick sills and soldier headers all meshed correctly.

Just don't know why somethign that was so handy, and now that I have posted this, widely used was omitted when it worked like a charm to begin with.

Re: Ganging WDW's in AC12

Anonymous — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:21:47 GMT

Thomas wrote:

...If I interprete your request correctly, you (and Karl) are trying to construct one W2 casement window by ganging two W1 casement windows..., if you just want 2 sashes, why not use the W2 window?

Also I can't see the problem with putting a structural member between two windows...

Thomas,

Of course it's not about the W2 Casement window in particular... The picture shown is just a rough representation. In fact it's about combining whatever window in the AC library with another one to achieve more alternatives. No need for more AC window types. Isn't that what's ganging all about ?

I hope the next image will clarify.
For example, try a window with 4 equal parts and one side-hung...no extra structural member needed.
Daily practice