topic Re: Is it possible to select something to hide it in 3Dwindo in Modeling

Is it possible to select something to hide it in 3Dwindow?

Anonymous — Fri, 26 May 2023 12:23:54 GMT

Now you have to select - marquee what you want to see in the 3D window.
I want to do the opposite - I want to select the objects I want to hide.

Is it possible to do that? Some hidden command to do that?

Re: Is it possible to select something to hide it in 3Dwindo

Anonymous — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:04:11 GMT

I found this post:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=67870&sid=44d10e998fab8ef937c9aabc4de1f733

It is from 2006 - some progress since then?

Can you select something to hide in the 3D window?

Re: Is it possible to select something to hide it in 3Dwindo

Anonymous — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 15:28:18 GMT

There is no option like Revit's "hide elements in view".

To approximate this you can set the Find & Select criteria to what you want to hide. Select everything in the 3D view. Deselect the elements to be hidden by the Find & Select criteria. Then use "Show Selection/Marquee in 3D" to hide the unselected parts.

For just a few parts you can just select all and then shift click to deselect the bits you want to hide.

This ArchiCAD method actually ends up being easier in many cases, as well more powerful, than the Revit approach given the difficulty of making multiple, detailed selections in Revit.

Re: Is it possible to select something to hide it in 3Dwindo

Anonymous — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:23:56 GMT

Thanks for your answer!
I now know it is not possible to select what I want to hide in the 3D view like in Revit and Sketchup. Now it is just a mess having Select All elements trying to deselect some element to hide.

I believe it would be very easy to implement such a possibility. I found it hard to understand why the programmers of Archicad not having implemented it. Perhaps it will show up in the next version?

Perhaps some programmer can tell me why this is impossible in Archicad 16!

Re: Is it possible to select something to hide it in 3Dwindo

Anonymous — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:38:14 GMT

Of course it is impossible in ArchiCAD 16 because it is a shipping product. It is also to late to add to 17 and maybe even 18 if it's not already on the schedule.

It may be quite difficult or trivially easy depending on how GS handles the visibility settings. The question is how important it is. Given the other methods I described I don't see it as very important.

Re: Is it possible to select something to hide it in 3Dwindo

Anonymous — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 17:01:28 GMT

Thanks again - you trying to solve the problem.
You tell me:
The question is how important it is. Given the other methods I described I don't see it as very important.

Why has both Revit and Sketchup implemented this and not Archicad?
The problem to hide a selection is the same in all 3D programs.

It is so simple to program - now Archicad shows what is selected - just let Archicad show what is not selected!!! It is so simple to program.

Sorry I cannot see the point in not programming it into Archicad.

Perhaps someone of the Archicad programmers has an answer?
Why not make an update to Archicad 16 - letting us select what to hide in the 3D window?

Re: Is it possible to select something to hide it in 3Dwindo

rob2218 — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:05:44 GMT

mr gg.
don't "fight" the software. Archicad is a very advanced tool.
I came from an Autodesk background (20 years) and having been introduced to Archicad there is no comparison.

just learn 'other' ways of how to skin this cat and you will be that much more happier....

good luck.

Re: Is it possible to select something to hide it in 3Dwindo

Anonymous — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:31:54 GMT

Thanks for your reply!

To solve the problem it is a matter of one line! in Archicad´s programming code:
IF NOT SELECTED -> SHOW
as an alternative to the line now bringing us the mess to have to deselect from:
IF SELECTED -> SHOW

Just one line!

Hopefully there are some Archicad programmer trying to fix the missing line!

Hopefully there are a lot of users demanding this!
So let us demand this simple line in Archicad:
IF NOT SELECTED -> SHOW

Re: Is it possible to select something to hide it in 3Dwindo

rob2218 — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:37:33 GMT

one line.....i know you may feel it's only "one line" but...well.

one line of code multiplied by 500,000 users demanding "one line of code change" as well on 80,000 sub-routines and do the math..you get where I'm going with this right.

Re: Is it possible to select something to hide it in 3Dwindo

Anonymous — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:47:35 GMT

Thanks for telling us your background:
"Autodesk background (20 years)"
Autocad is sh-t!
but Revit has got the line:
IF NOT SELECTED -> SHOW
so let us have this LINE in Archicad also - making the program so much better - avoiding the mess in the 3D Window.

Hopefully most Archicad users want this opportunity tol avoid the 3D mess.
Some Archicad programmer interested?

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Adjective
Showing curiosity or concern about something or someone; having a feeling of interest: "interested in history".
Having an interest or involvement; not impartial or disinterested.
Synonyms - concerned

Re: Is it possible to select something to hide it in 3Dwindo

Anonymous — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:47:50 GMT

mr wrote:
Thanks for your reply!

To solve the problem it is a matter of one line! in Archicad´s programming code:
IF NOT SELECTED -> SHOW
as an alternative to the line now bringing us the mess to have to deselect from:
IF SELECTED -> SHOW

Just one line!

Hopefully there are some Archicad programmer trying to fix the missing line!

Hopefully there are a lot of users demanding this!
So let us demand this simple line in Archicad:
IF NOT SELECTED -> SHOW

You are making a lot of assumptions here that you can't possibly know. It might be simple to implement but I can think of plenty of reasons why it might not. I also know that I have NO idea of what it would actually require. Why are you so sure of yourself?

Also the workaround for this is really not difficult and the tools ArchiCAD provides for constraining, accumulating and deaccumulating selections are so far advanced over both Revit and SketchUp that I find your comparisons disingenuous.

Are you here looking for help or just to complain that GS isn't immediately jumping to give you what you want?

Re: Is it possible to select something to hide it in 3Dwindo

rob2218 — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:58:31 GMT

no need to get hostile here.
I failed to mention that I've been the last 7 years doing Archicad.

Re: Is it possible to select something to hide it in 3Dwindo

Nando Mogollon — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 19:19:08 GMT

coming back to the original issue, and in case there are other new users getting the same frustration I will offer a few ideas to do the same, just not with the same clicks:

Marquee:

If you come from the revit world, you will love it, is like the scope box but with any shape you like and you can define it before you jump into the 3D window ( axo or perspective). You can either select to show what is inside or outside the marquee.

By Selection:

Simply put: Selected -Show. not selected or unselected? well it will not show. as easy as select- hide.

By Element type:

Again if coming from revit, this works as hide by category. Just have to get into 3D window and click [ctrl + Alt + A] in PC or [Cmmd + Opt + A] in MAC, and select - deselect the type of elements you don't want to see in that view.

By Cutting Planes:

An old fashioned method, [Ctrl+Shift+Y] will show a window to cut planes away from the current view... sometimes useful.

For what I think you are trying to do a simple process of selecting what you want to see ( let say Ctrl +A for everything) show everything in 3D, the Ctrl+A again, and then deselect what you don't want to see. Right click and show selection in 3D. This would refresh the 3D window filter to the current 3D window.

Save it as View for future reference if you want.

Cheers and have fun! is Friday after all

Re: Is it possible to select something to hide it in 3Dwindo

Anonymous — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 19:25:25 GMT

As I can understand both of you have used Archicad for a long time.

Perhaps - your feelings are: "It is my program" and you have to defend it.
But to defend something you have to make a retreat - understanding that the sun also has its shadows - to improve the program. It is about to listen to other users of the program.

As a user you have to trust the programmers. Hopefully some programmer listens to our discussion - one line of code - needed.

Hopefully I am not alone demanding that line of code to make Archicad so much better!

Re: Is it possible to select something to hide it in 3Dwindo

rob2218 — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 19:28:12 GMT

thanks for that explanation....

p.s.
your work (on your website) is fantastic! kudos.

Re: Is it possible to select something to hide it in 3Dwindo

Anonymous — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 19:47:42 GMT

mr wrote:
As I can understand both of you have used Archicad for a long time.

Perhaps - your feelings are: "It is my program" and you have to defend it.
But to defend something you have to make a retreat - understanding that the sun also has its shadows - to improve the program. It is about to listen to other users of the program.

As a user you have to trust the programmers. Hopefully some programmer listens to our discussion - one line of code - needed.

Hopefully I am not alone demanding that line of code to make Archicad so much better!

I have also used Revit for a long time and am not so much defending ArchiCAD as pointing out ways to accomplish what you want and why ArchiCAD's tools are superior to Revit's despite the latter having one specific function that ArchiCAD accomplishes by different means. As a rule I prefer not to use the hide function in Revit as it is much harder to track and control than using filters and such.

If you feel this feature is important you can start a topic in one of the wish list subforums. Graphisoft does listen to our requests. (They have probably implemented more of mine over the years than most but then I've been yammering on about this stuff for a long time). I might even be convinced that this feature could be important if it really is easy to implement and doesn't have negative interface and consistency implications. Feature requests posted in non-wishlist forums such as this are less likely to get attention.

Sorry to be a bit harsh but I do find your presumption that this is a matter of a "single line of code" to be rather annoying.

Re: Is it possible to select something to hide it in 3Dwindo

Anonymous — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 20:06:02 GMT

Archicad 16:
Right click and show selection in 3D

Archicad 17 will give us the alternatives?
Right click - show selection in 3D
and
Right click - don´t show selection in 3D

Just so simple. I believe I am not alone wanting the alternatives.

Re: Is it possible to select something to hide it in 3Dwindo

Anonymous — Fri, 26 Apr 2013 20:39:38 GMT

mr wrote:
Archicad 16:
Right click and show selection in 3D

Archicad 17 will give us the alternatives?
Right click - show selection in 3D
and
Right click - don´t show selection in 3D

Just so simple. I believe I am not alone wanting the alternatives.

So start the topic in the wish list.

Re: Is it possible to select something to hide it in 3Dwindo

Nando Mogollon — Sat, 27 Apr 2013 00:04:00 GMT

I forgot a more typical approach for "Global Hides", and this is actually a good trick Mr GG:

By Hidden layer:

In general if you want to Globally hide an element without deleting it, You need to:

1-Create a "Hidden Layer" which should be Off in all your Layer Combinations.
2-Choose a Layer priority number unused by other Layers - this is to separate it from making joints and connections with other elements in the model-
3-Move the elements you want to hide to that Hidden Layer.

This is very useful for more permanent hides across the file.

Re: Is it possible to select something to hide it in 3Dwindo

Steve Jepson — Sat, 27 Apr 2013 05:08:40 GMT

mr wrote:
Now you have to select - marquee what you want to see in the 3D window.
I want to do the opposite - I want to select the objects I want to hide.

Is it possible to do that? Some hidden command to do that?

Select all - Shift-Click on the items you don't want to see ( that is to say de-select them ) - press F5. This will display everything you still have selected in 3D.

What I would like to have is a way in 3d mode to select a couple of items and have only those things shown in 2d/plan view.

I want to have a shortcut like F5 for going the other way. 3d to 2d rather than only 2d to 3d.