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Intersection and priorities in complex profiles

Anonymous — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:32:21 GMT

I have been trying to get some mouldings to intersect properly but im having trouble with "T" shaped intersections.

Do comlex profiles behave the same way as composite walls regarding skin priorities?

I made a little test profile just fot the sake of example, see the picture below.

-the reference lines are touching
-the brick skin priority is set to 0
-the brown skin priority is set to 6

And still, the skins are not intersecting properly at the "T" junction.

I searched the forums for a similar situation but couldnt find it.

Is there something I missed?

Re: Intersection and priorities in complex profiles

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:58:54 GMT

See attached screenshot: for the priorities that you set up in the profile to be considered, you must check the box for 'Enable Skin Priorities'.

(Generally, for composites and profiles, I have all boxes checked so that the composite or profile definition defines all attributes, thus making the definition a 'style' or 'type' that can be edited in one place and changed everywhere.)

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Intersection and priorities in complex profiles

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:04:18 GMT

In the process of reproducing your screenshot, I discovered an unpleasant situation in 11 (have not tested in 12) regarding the 'Ending Contour' pen for the complex wall profile.

See the attached screenshot. The full ends show the heavy black line, but it also shows up as a short segment on one side of one skin of a wrapped corner. Pretty bizarre. Anybody have an idea on that one?

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Intersection and priorities in complex profiles

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:18:41 GMT

This gets weirder: in 12, the short end segments are still there, but on opposite sides of the corner. But, in 12, I cannot seem to control the weight of the contour cut by the floor plan cut plane.

No matter what pen I assign, the outside contour lines are always the same weight. The teal/blue pen is hairline (0 mm) and the red is 1.00 mm, but they appear the same in the attached screenshot. The pen color is clearly being taken from the Profile Editor, but I have no idea where the weight is coming from...?

Karl

Re: Intersection and priorities in complex profiles

Anonymous — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:33:29 GMT

Thank you Karl for the quick reply.

I also had that box checked for my profiles ( in fact it the 1st thing I checked ). I suspect that you are using a "composite wall" rather than a "complex profile" (the later being accessed in the profile manager).

The quick example I posted might be what confused you.

in fact the mouldings are more like an extrusion.

here is a picture of how I worked my way around the problem. I used two half profiles with reference lines on the "outer edge" so they dont overlap.

top picture is the first unworking model, bottom one is the workaround.

Cheers!

EDIT: seems like we posted at the same time ( and I was wrong, you ARE using the complex profile after all)

And thats a weird behavior you have there with those endlines

Re: Intersection and priorities in complex profiles

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:05:59 GMT

ArthurG wrote:
here is a picture of how I worked my way around the problem.

I did not need any workaround to get the complex profile to intersect correctly. If your original profile is still not intersecting, select just those pieces and do a 'save selection as module' and post a zip of the module.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Intersection and priorities in complex profiles

Anonymous — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:37:54 GMT

Hello.
I have read this post a few times, but somehow don't think I'm getting it just yet.
Based on Arthur's last example, I may be trying to do something that is not possible in C.P. because the last 2d "workaround" looks different than what I'm after.
So attached is what I've been trying to do, and hopefully someone can let me know if it is even possible in C.P..
At least at that point, I will struggle on!
Bier

Re: Intersection and priorities in complex profiles

Karl Ottenstein — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:57:32 GMT

There is no workaround, Bier. It just works - as seen in my screenshots.

In that case, I had a profile that had two tall 'curbs' on either side of a 'roadway'. I just repeated it with a new profile along the lines of your screenshot where you just circled the tops of the 'curbs' - suggesting a full slab below. With the 'roadway' at priority 6 and the 'curbs' at priority 0, the correct result is seen.

If you do not see all of the contours at all - then it is a Floor Plan Cut Plane height issue. If they intersect incorrectly, then make sure that the fills are different, the priorities are set similar to above, and that the tool settings are NOT over-riding any of the profile settings. 😉

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Intersection and priorities in complex profiles

Rod Jurich — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:10:54 GMT

Bier wrote:
Hello.
I have read this post a few times, but somehow don't think I'm getting it just yet.
/..........
At least at that point, I will struggle on!

No need to struggle Bier, this may help.

Celia's Tip

Re: Intersection and priorities in complex profiles

Link — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:12:16 GMT

Karl wrote:
No matter what pen I assign, the outside contour lines are always the same weight. The teal/blue pen is hairline (0 mm) and the red is 1.00 mm, but they appear the same in the attached screenshot. The pen color is clearly being taken from the Profile Editor, but I have no idea where the weight is coming from...?

Karl, are you assigning the Ending Contours in the Profile? Of course all the Structure's Settings must be applied in the Wall Settings.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Intersection and priorities in complex profiles

Anonymous — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:15:37 GMT

Thanks Karl and Rod.
I had actually seen Celia's post last year about this time, but completely, absolutely, unforgivably, forgot about it, not having done much C.P. at that time, the image/concept didn't stick.
I won't forget now!
I've printed it out and posted on a wall of my "cave" (by the way, that's the cave with the comfy chair).
Like Djordje said, G.S. should hire her to do more illustration.
Talk about an oz of prevention! That would save 16 ton's of frustration....
(and what do ya get.....).
Bier

Re: Intersection and priorities in complex profiles

Anonymous — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:54:52 GMT

Well for 4 hours I've been trying to get this profile going with a full 16 tons of frustration.
Looked at Celia's post again and my fill Priorities are set to work.
I've set the "curb" priorities at 8 and the center at 12.
Also tried your suggestion Karl of curb at 0 and center at 6, no go either.
Checked it over and over again, redrew it over and over again and all seems correct and the 2d image shows correct like yours Karl. But, the kicker is, the 3D curb won't "cut" through.
Played with wall priorities and that does not seem to change anything.
Please see attached.
I sure hope it's not me, but it just might be.
Bier

Re: Intersection and priorities in complex profiles

Anonymous — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:38:51 GMT

That is exactly the issue I had and the example I tried to post ( in a bit less graphic way ).

The "curb" part just wont cut itself, no matter the priorities I set or the reference line position or the wall settings.

I'll post something else if I find anything new.

Thx all for your efforts in resolving the matter

Re: Intersection and priorities in complex profiles

Anonymous — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:47:34 GMT

I'm not an advanced AC person, so kinda generally assume I must be doing something wrong, (which is usually the case).
But have I found my first bug?
I mean, Arthur, have we found a major AC12 bug?
Bier

Re: Intersection and priorities in complex profiles

Link — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:18:53 GMT

AFAIK, this has never been possible, so I would class it as a shortcoming rather than a bug.

Still, would be good to hear back from GS about it.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Intersection and priorities in complex profiles

Kevin Motyka — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:55:46 GMT

I have read through many of the posts to cleaning up the skins in complex profiles.

Karl and Cecilia gave some great examples of how to make the end results work. Unfortunately I am in the same spot as Bier.

Cecilia however references with the term composite wall. That is NOT what I am trying to clean up. I cannot seem to make the skins on a simple stud wall with 1/2" gyp bd on either side clean up using a newly created Complex Profile.

As a matter of fact if I use the same profile on two different walls that are perpendicular to each other they do NOT clean up. Obviously the priorities should be correct. SO why don't they clean up? It is not so obvious to me.

I also do not understand Link's comment that this is a shortcoming. If Karl and Cecilia get it to work, then I don't see how that can be a shortcoming.

Please help. I look forward to any comments.

Kevin

Re: Intersection and priorities in complex profiles

Anonymous — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:32:59 GMT

Kevin,

The examples that Karl and Cecilia gave were taken from the floorplan in 2d only. The problem that ArthurG and Bier are having is that this clean-up does not occur in 3d as well (which it probably should, i.e. it's a bug/shortcoming).

Firstly, check you definitely have 'enable skin priorities' ticked in the walls settings, and that the walls are all on the same layer (or if on different layers, make sure they have the same layer intersection number), and that you have 'Clean Wall/Beam Intersections' turned on in the On-screen View Options (found on the 'View' menu, or the OSVO toolbar).

If you then follow Cecilias advice concerning the skin priorities, then it should work fine in 2d.

Archiben posted a very useful guide to what priority to give each kind of skin, which I follow religiously and works for almost every occasion - http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=14758.

Please post a screenshot if you are still having problems.

Re: Intersection and priorities in complex profiles

Anonymous — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:56:38 GMT

Hi, All

There is no better way to solve it using the composite wall structure and the profile manager with the goal to show the type of material from the wall layer.
Possible new features of this method will be included in AC13?
Solutions to create a wall with the texture of different materials can be made manually because this is not possible with the solutions provided.
According to me this is not a bug but a feature that will still continue to be developed
Sorry my English

Re: Intersection and priorities in complex profiles

Kevin Motyka — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:06:15 GMT

I have attached a screen shot as Peter requested.

In this example I simply rotated copies of the original wall complex profile. So all the priorities and layers should be the same for each wall. I followed all the priorities suggested by archiben.

What am I missing?

Re: Intersection and priorities in complex profiles

Kevin Motyka — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:45:24 GMT

After some experimenting today I figured out my problem. I was trying to use too many fills within the core cavity of the stud wall. I tried numerous scenarios and found that only one fill can be used when working within the complex profile. Then the 2D view cleans up as expected.

I appreciate all the help that was offered!

Maybe there are suggestions to accomplish my goal. I was trying to create the complex profile to have the top and bottom plates appear within the wall cavity once a section cut is created and opened. I recognize that this detail can be easily added manually, but I was trying to see if it could be automatically generated.

I look forward to seeing what ideas or uses might be put into practice.