topic Re: AC 15 and coordinates input in Modeling

AC 15 and coordinates input

Anonymous — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:15:26 GMT

Hello!
I noticed one different thing than in previous versions.
In 14 or earlier versions, when I took wall for one of it's ends and start to stretch it and than press shift + "r" than I entered the value for which wall would be extended, but in 15 it goes for a overall length of it. In previous versions that would be the case only if I went with mouse over reference line of the wall and than press "r" and input desired value.

Is there possibility to change that in v15 to previous version?

Re: AC 15 and coordinates input

cgrimley — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 19:28:23 GMT

I noticed this too. Hopefully its a setting somewhere and it didn't just go away.

Re: AC 15 and coordinates input

Anonymous — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:19:42 GMT

cgrimley wrote:
I noticed this too. Hopefully its a setting somewhere and it didn't just go away.

I was searching for it but couldn't find it.
Probably, wasn't persistent enough.

Re: AC 15 and coordinates input

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:53:04 GMT

I think the logic has changed a bit.
I don't think this is something that can be modified by a checkbox somewhere.

However, after you start stretching the Wall, just move your cursor to the endpoint you want to measure the distance from and press ALT+SHIFT. The Edit Origin will move there and the Tracker will display the values you need.

Re: AC 15 and coordinates input

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:12:44 GMT

laszlonagy wrote:
I think the logic has changed a bit.
I don't think this is something that can be modified b a checkbox somewhere.

However, after you start stretching the Wall, just move your cursor to the endpoint you want to measure the distance from and press ALT+SHIFT. The Edit Origin will move there and the Tracker will display the values you need.

BUT WHY????
why changing something that has been good for years.
This is something that has been working perfectly.

Re: AC 15 and coordinates input

Miha Nahtigal — Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:27:16 GMT

I have noticed this too. Extremely annoying.

Re: AC 15 and coordinates input

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Jul 2011 13:31:24 GMT

update on this issue:
presing alt+shift changes things but only for this situation, but it is more complicated than it was.

Is graphisoft on mission to screw their own customers???!!!

one more problem is that alt+shift changes language on my computer and after that operation my keyboard is switched form Croatian to English and my "z" is changed to "y". so undo is not working till the moment I realize that language is switched. ANNOYING!!!!

Re: AC 15 and coordinates input

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:23:51 GMT

Yes, seems like a chore having to drag the user origin around to do what used to be automatic.

Has anyone else noticed that the 'Explode into Current View' command does not seem to explode polylines into lines anymore? I used to use this command interchangeably with the 'Unify' command to change lines to polylines and vice versa. But now it seems the operations only go one direction. I can still use the magic wand to place line segments on top of an existing polyline, but must go to the added step of deleting the original.

Re: AC 15 and coordinates input

Laura Yanoviak — Wed, 20 Jul 2011 22:45:27 GMT

dirty wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that the 'Explode into Current View' command does not seem to explode polylines into lines anymore? I used to use this command interchangeably with the 'Unify' command to change lines to polylines and vice versa. But now it seems the operations only go one direction. I can still use the magic wand to place line segments on top of an existing polyline, but must go to the added step of deleting the original.

I have no problem exploding a polyline into line segments -- do you happen to have Groups enabled?

Re: AC 15 and coordinates input

MarinRacic — Thu, 21 Jul 2011 08:54:52 GMT

laszlonagy wrote:
I think the logic has changed a bit.
I don't think this is something that can be modified b a checkbox somewhere.

However, after you start stretching the Wall, just move your cursor to the endpoint you want to measure the distance from and press ALT+SHIFT. The Edit Origin will move there and the Tracker will display the values you need.

Laci,

Who is crazy enough to change things that have been working great for years?? Why break working features? Instead of making things easier for users, you are going the other way around.

Please talk to anyone who is responsible for making this change and make it as it was before in the 1st hotfix.

Thanks in advance!

Re: AC 15 and coordinates input

Laszlo Nagy — Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:06:34 GMT

I'm going to report this coordinate thing as a bug.
Then we will see if it was intentional or unintentional.
By the way, my experience tells me that many times when things change, it is because people have been asking for it, criticizing GS for the way it was working. Then it was changed and there is a new set of people who are now very dissatisfied.
I am not saying this is the case now but may be.

Re: AC 15 and coordinates input

Laszlo Nagy — Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:09:39 GMT

dirty wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that the 'Explode into Current View' command does not seem to explode polylines into lines anymore? I used to use this command interchangeably with the 'Unify' command to change lines to polylines and vice versa. But now it seems the operations only go one direction. I can still use the magic wand to place line segments on top of an existing polyline, but must go to the added step of deleting the original.

Yes, it does not work for me either in ArchiCAD 15.
This looks like a bug to me as it asks you if you want to keep the original element. Plus, it worked in AC14.
I will report this to GS.

Re: AC 15 and coordinates input

MMontgomery — Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:31:33 GMT

mzex wrote:
Hello!
I noticed one different thing than in previous versions.
In 14 or earlier versions, when I took wall for one of it's ends and start to stretch it and than press shift + "r" than I entered the value for which wall would be extended, but in 15 it goes for a overall length of it. In previous versions that would be the case only if I went with mouse over reference line of the wall and than press "r" and input desired value.

Is there possibility to change that in v15 to previous version?

I need this fixed as well - This is something I use constantly. The Alt+Shift complicates what used to feel like a very intuitive way of drawing/modelling.

Re: AC 15 and coordinates input

Laura Yanoviak — Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:57:01 GMT

laszlonagy wrote:
dirty wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that the 'Explode into Current View' command does not seem to explode polylines into lines anymore?...
Yes, it does not work for me either in ArchiCAD 15.
This looks like a bug to me as it asks you if you want to keep the original element. Plus, it worked in AC14.
I will report this to GS.

Huh -- it worked for me yesterday, but not today

Re: AC 15 and coordinates input

Anonymous — Thu, 21 Jul 2011 17:50:51 GMT

Laura wrote:
laszlonagy wrote:
dirty wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that the 'Explode into Current View' command does not seem to explode polylines into lines anymore?...
Yes, it does not work for me either in ArchiCAD 15.
This looks like a bug to me as it asks you if you want to keep the original element. Plus, it worked in AC14.
I will report this to GS.
Huh -- it worked for me yesterday, but not today

I swear there was a moment where I got it working right after I noticed the issue by re-entering the shortcut key I have set for this command. But the command stopped working again later and I couldn't get the shortcut key trick to work again. I just assumed I got confused and somehow opened an AC-14 window by accident.

Suspending / enabling groups had no effect for me.

I just noticed that if you throw a curved segment into the polyline the whole thing explodes properly into lines again. Has to be a glitch.

Thanks for reporting, laszlonagy.

Re: AC 15 and coordinates input

Laszlo Nagy — Thu, 21 Jul 2011 18:28:16 GMT

Yes, the same here.
If there is a curved segment in the Polyline, it properly explodes into lines and arcs.
If it has straight segments only, it actually explodes into another polyline, which is grouped by itself.
Works in AC14 and prior.

Re: AC 15 and coordinates input

JaredBanks — Thu, 21 Jul 2011 18:32:47 GMT

For exploding polylines...

an intermediate solution (other than adding a curved segment) is to use linework consolidation and select explode polylines into drawing primitives.

I've got a shortcut for linework consolidation, so it's not too much of a hassle, but it's still worse than just exploding.

Anyways seems like I shouldn't feel bad that I haven't had time to migrate my template or start a project in v15 yet! Well I hope a hotfix comes soon.

Re: AC 15 and coordinates input

Anonymous — Thu, 21 Jul 2011 20:24:22 GMT

JaredBanks wrote:
For exploding polylines...

an intermediate solution (other than adding a curved segment) is to use linework consolidation and select explode polylines into drawing primitives.

I've got a shortcut for linework consolidation, so it's not too much of a hassle, but it's still worse than just exploding.

Good suggestion. I've got it on quick key now.

Re: AC 15 and coordinates input

MarinRacic — Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:26:11 GMT

MMontgomery wrote:
mzex wrote:
Hello!
I noticed one different thing than in previous versions.
In 14 or earlier versions, when I took wall for one of it's ends and start to stretch it and than press shift + "r" than I entered the value for which wall would be extended, but in 15 it goes for a overall length of it. In previous versions that would be the case only if I went with mouse over reference line of the wall and than press "r" and input desired value.

Is there possibility to change that in v15 to previous version?
I need this fixed as well - This is something I use constantly. The Alt+Shift complicates what used to feel like a very intuitive way of drawing/modelling.

Let's just not forget about this shortcut issue...

Re: AC 15 and coordinates input

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:38:38 GMT

Let's just not forget about this shortcut issue...

Do you know that you can change in the operating system settings which key combination should toggle between the keyboard layouts? If you disable it it will not interfere with ArchiCAD's ALT+SHIFT.
This, by the way, has been a problem for many-many years.
I myself have disabled this feature of the system (have not defined any key combination for it).

In the Region and Language Control Panel, you can go to the Keyboard and Languages tab page, click the Change keyboards button.
Then in the Text Services and Input Languages Dialog, go to the Advanced Key Settings tab page click the Change Key Sequence button.
Then choose the "Not Assigned" radio button for the "Switch Input Language" field.

So as you can see it is an obvious option, nicely hidden in a sub-sub-sub-dialog of the operating system.