topic Re: ArchiCAD 17 announced in Modeling

ArchiCAD 17 announced

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 07 May 2013 15:18:08 GMT

ArchiCAD 17 is announced today:

http://www.graphisoft.com/archicad/archicad_17/overview/

Re: ArchiCAD 17 announced

Anonymous — Tue, 07 May 2013 17:12:06 GMT

Yay!

ArchiCAD 17. The Wishlist Edition!

Re: ArchiCAD 17 announced

Anonymous — Tue, 07 May 2013 17:49:07 GMT

ArchiCAD 17. The Wishlist Edition!

I was looking for that word.... but new Intelligent Building Materials

Re: ArchiCAD 17 announced

Anonymous — Tue, 07 May 2013 18:04:59 GMT

They seem to have been busy at GS this year! Looks to be a great release with some really useful features to increase productivity. Possibly the best release for a while?

Favourite features -
Proper 'materials' rich with information.
Priority based connections for all building elements.
Storey height association for building elements.
Curved beams. (not sure if they have a cover fill yet!)
Core based reference line for walls and slabs.
Real-time cutplanes.

Biggest negative - I'm not on subscription any more :sadface:

Re: ArchiCAD 17 announced

Anonymous — Tue, 07 May 2013 19:10:14 GMT

I would say that the last few releases have been the best since 12.

13 and 14 were (for me) and most sole traders - not very relevant.

If the archi -gurus / beta testers are out of their NDA it would be good to hear a more detailed view?

Re: ArchiCAD 17 announced

Anonymous — Tue, 07 May 2013 19:17:44 GMT

Best items for me are -

Integrated BIX
Realtime 3D cutaway

Will be interesting to see the workflow of Priority based connections pans out.
I have a lot of spereate 2d details that I use

Biggest gimmick - BIMObject integration.

Cant wait to try demo

Re: ArchiCAD 17 announced

Anonymous — Tue, 07 May 2013 19:23:15 GMT

Peter wrote:

Biggest negative - Not on subscription any more :sadface:

What you mean by "Not on subscription"?

Re: ArchiCAD 17 announced

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 07 May 2013 19:35:13 GMT

Miki wrote:
Peter wrote:

Biggest negative - Not on subscription any more :sadface:
What you mean by "Not on subscription"?

I'm not Peter, but since subscription varies by country and since you're in the US... subscription here is called ArchiPLUS:
http://www.graphisoftus.com/products_archiplus.php
and includes all upgrades for a year, keyplug insurance (replacement) and more as listed in the link.

I'm just a user - but a reminder to everyone: GS - at least in North America - is raising their prices on June 1 for the first time in many years - an increase of 18%. So now is the time to lock in the old prices. My personal ArchiPlus contract is expiring May 31, so I was able to sign up for a 3 year subscription at the old price.

Back to the topic (17): could be the biggest game changer since 10 IMHO. Lots of exciting stuff.

Re: ArchiCAD 17 announced

Anonymous — Tue, 07 May 2013 19:51:25 GMT

It seems (I hope) that ver. 17 improvements eliminate many of the gymnastics needed to have accurate live sections.

One tiny thing but nice is the multi-leader label object.

The speed is already fairly good but the background processing seems like it will be a great thing.

Core based reference lines - Very good.

I already use the 3d plan view for roof plans and am interested in using the new 3d RCP.

Re: ArchiCAD 17 announced

Anonymous — Tue, 07 May 2013 19:57:53 GMT

Miki wrote:
Peter wrote:

Biggest negative - Not on subscription any more :sadface:

What you mean by "Not on subscription"?

Sorry, missed an "I'm" out of the sentence. Edited to be clearer!

As Karl says, normally we are on a maintainance subscription (MES) costing around £4-500 a year for free upgrades, support, and discounted training. We cancelled it last year before AC16.

Re: ArchiCAD 17 announced

sinceV6 — Wed, 08 May 2013 00:46:20 GMT

I just want to say: really amazed by features so far. Watching videos right now. CONGRATULATIONS Graphisoft!!! This looks like the best BIM centered release in quite some time.

Re: ArchiCAD 17 announced

Bricklyne Clarence — Wed, 08 May 2013 04:43:56 GMT

I've watched a lot of the videos (not all), and I have to say, very nice GS/

Very Nice.

2 high quality Version upgrades in a row so far. (in fact 3, since v15 was also very solid, and I still use it on my slow computer, thanks to its stability and less need for CPU power).

If I have one regret, it would be that Stair tool still remains lagging (as far as I can tell), but so far I really love the live cutting planes (what becomes of the traditional Marquee tool? Is it still available? It seems from the context menu of the demo videos that it's still there. It was really useful being able to cut at odd angles and the live cutting planes seem limited to the model bounding box parallel planes. Also, can you rotate the cutting planes?), the Building materials improvement also looks like a much needed improvement, and I hope new material (and fill) creation is equally updated,...

....and THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!! GRAPHISOFT for finally fixing the correct display of SEO's on plan view!!!!!

I can't tell you how many times (even in the last few weeks) I've had to resort to the old work-around of saving a .jpg image file of the top view in Axonometric on the 3D window and then saving that image as a worksheet and then scaling it to the right size by referencing the floor plan through virtual reference and then finally using virtual reference again on the floor plan with that image to trace the correct SEO cut of a cut element just to have it display correctly on plan.

I look forward to the actual release and trying out the actual improvements, and hope there are other "hidden" improvements.
But all in all, congratulations on what looks to be a very solid release, GS.

Nice work.

Re: ArchiCAD 17 announced

Barry Kelly — Wed, 08 May 2013 06:22:44 GMT

Bricklyne wrote:
If I have one regret, it would be that Stair tool still remains lagging (as far as I can tell),...

Lets hope for 18 or 19

Bricklyne wrote:
but so far I really love the live cutting planes (what becomes of the traditional Marquee tool? Is it still available? It seems from the context menu of the demo videos that it's still there,...

The marquee tool is still there.

Bricklyne wrote:
Also, can you rotate the cutting planes?), the Building materials improvement also looks like a much needed improvement, and I hope new material (and fill) creation is equally updated,...

Cutting planes can easily be rotated in plan, elevation and 3D - in any direction (horizontally or vertically).
They can also be reversed.
You can also have multiple cutting planes - as many as you need I think.

Barry.

Re: ArchiCAD 17 announced

Bricklyne Clarence — Wed, 08 May 2013 06:44:24 GMT

Barry wrote:
Bricklyne wrote:
If I have one regret, it would be that Stair tool still remains lagging (as far as I can tell),...
Lets hope for 18 or 19

......

Barry.

Really hoping for it too.

With all the improvements they've made in other areas of the program, in the last couple of versions (most notably the Morph tool, Curtain Wall Tool, Parametric Association of building elements to storey height, Linked Connection to slabs, Profile Manager, Shell tool, etc), they now have all the ingredients for a really kick-a5s parametric, easy-to-use and intuitive Stair Tool that's robust and versatile enought to handle almost any kind of modern stair (and even some classical and traditional ones).

My only fear is that they might end up over-thinking it (like they some times do) and coming up with a clunky solution that's versatile yet difficult to figure out, use or just plain adapt and modify on the fly.

Re: ArchiCAD 17 announced

Mats_Knutsson — Wed, 08 May 2013 11:42:38 GMT

Hotlink ifc??? In a dream I was told it would work in 17?

I think it's a great release! Really looking forward to many of the new features.

Re: ArchiCAD 17 announced

Jan Vlach — Wed, 08 May 2013 12:12:51 GMT

The one thing I like about Graphisoft is that exactly what can think off Archicad needs, they add in the next relase. Great work.

Bottom line ------------------------------------------------------------------------
So guys since you are based in Budapest, please, please make a little road trip to Romania and pay a visit to the folks at Chaosgroup and get V-ray for us:) No just kidding, that won't happen.

Re: ArchiCAD 17 announced

Bricklyne Clarence — Wed, 08 May 2013 13:00:47 GMT

skawagon wrote:
The one thing I like about Graphisoft is that exactly what can think off Archicad needs, they add in the next relase. Great work.

Bottom line ------------------------------------------------------------------------
So guys since you are based in Budapest, please, please make a little road trip to Romania and pay a visit to the folks at Chaosgroup and get V-ray for us:) No just kidding, that won't happen.

I'm curious as to what "software" was used to make the ArchiCAD 17 PBC Concept Demo video on their website which shows off the new Building Materials and Priority Based Connections in a cutaway section video (with live cutting planes) of assemblies on their Youtube Channel shown below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CaZQUywIxY&feature=player_embedded

The practical part of me says that they probably exported the model to Cinema4D (more likely) or Artlantis and did the animation there coordinating the materials through the respective addon.

The wishful thinking part of me is hoping that certainrumors are true that GS finally dumped a certain aging and out-dated render engine in favor of an updated one from a sister software and which takes advantage of the new materials interface and properties.

But that's probably just wishful thinking on my part (unless a Beta tester can confirm otherwise - assuming their NDA allows it).

Given the proliferation and availability of lots of third-party render engines (some with even direct add-on connection to AC's 3D window for live Real-time rendering - like Maxwell Fire, and Octane), I get the impression that this probably isn't GS' priority at the moment.

Still,...... one wishes.
....and hopes.

Re: ArchiCAD 17 announced

Anonymous — Wed, 08 May 2013 13:57:48 GMT

I'm curious as to what "software" was used to make the ArchiCAD 17 PBC Concept Demo video

+1

Please GS enlight us so we can use it for composite structure presentations...

Re: ArchiCAD 17 announced

Anonymous — Wed, 08 May 2013 20:59:10 GMT

Peter wrote:
Miki wrote:
Peter wrote:

Biggest negative - Not on subscription any more :sadface:

What you mean by "Not on subscription"?

Sorry, missed an "I'm" out of the sentence. Edited to be clearer!

As Karl says, normally we are on a maintainance subscription (MES) costing around £4-500 a year for free upgrades, support, and discounted training. We cancelled it last year before AC16.

Uff. For a second there I was thinking that there will be no subscription for AC17.

Re: ArchiCAD 17 announced

Barry Kelly — Thu, 09 May 2013 00:48:37 GMT

Same old render engine in 17 I'm afraid.
Another wish for the 18 list.
Barry.