topic Re: 3D Document - won't show colors/materials in Modeling

3D Document - won't show colors/materials

jbArch — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:31:09 GMT

I'm playing around with the 3D Document for the first time. Can't get it to show material colors... i.e. it only produces a "hidden line" type view, no matter how I set up the 3D Document Settings. Is there another obvious toggle that I'm missing? I can get textures, just no colors.

I'll attach a jpeg.

Ideas?

thanks,
JB

Re: 3D Document - won't show colors/materials

jbArch — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:18:19 GMT

One more screen shot showing the settings I'm using... notice that the Uncut Elements are set to display with their own materials, but I'm not actually getting that kind of output.

Re: 3D Document - won't show colors/materials

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:29:21 GMT

You've checked 'uniform pen' for uncut elements. Clear that.

Karl

Re: 3D Document - won't show colors/materials

jbArch — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:12:58 GMT

Karl-
Thanks for chiming in. I've unchecked the box for uniform pen colors... but still no shading. (Note: The light green shading you see is the vectorial sun shadow.)

Feels like I've tried every combination possible in this dialog box... I'm wondering if there is something outside of these controls that I'm missing out on?

Cheers & TIA,
JB

Re: 3D Document - won't show colors/materials

Anonymous — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:46:07 GMT

Try new and reset and then copy and paste from old version to new blank drawing.
It's painful and it seems to be a corrupt prefs file somewhere, I think.

Re: 3D Document - won't show colors/materials

Richard Morrison — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:23:04 GMT

Maybe I'm not understanding, but are you using a rendered 3D view to start with?

Re: 3D Document - won't show colors/materials

jbArch — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:31:03 GMT

Chris, thanks for the help.

If I start a new file from the AC12 template, and copy/paste from my original file then it all works fine. So clearly there are some whacked prefs in my original file (admittedly, it started as an AC10 file).

So how can I track down the bad prefs? I'd prefer not to set up this whole file again with new views, section/elevs, etc.

Thanks,
JB

p.s. Richard - I started with a 3D window view that was shaded and using OpenGL. But I don't think it should matter... the shading is controlled within the 3D document.

Re: 3D Document - won't show colors/materials

Richard Morrison — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:46:46 GMT

jbArch wrote:
p.s. Richard - I started with a 3D window view that was shaded and using OpenGL. But I don't think it should matter... the shading is controlled within the 3D document.

No, I believe shading is controlled by the 3D WINDOW settings, not the 3D Document. settings. (And I'm assuming you intended the distinction between shades and shadows...)

Re: 3D Document - won't show colors/materials

jbArch — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:00:47 GMT

Richard, I should clarify that when I said "shading" I meant that walls, etc. are to be shaded with the material colors. Nothing to do with shade & shadows.

A better way to say it is that I 'm having trouble getting surfaces to show their material colors in the 3D Doc.

I only called it "shading" to point out that I started with my 3D window set to:
View/3D Window Mode/Shading
and
View/3D Window Mode/OpenGL

Shading is really a misnomer but it is archicad's term not mine.

Re: 3D Document - won't show colors/materials

Chazz — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:47:10 GMT

I thought it was not possible to get material textures to show up in a 3D Document view. If someone thinks otherwise, I'd love to see the settings and a picture of the result. Anyone?

Re: 3D Document - won't show colors/materials

jbArch — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:41:39 GMT

Chazz-
I'm just trying to get material colors. I don't think textures are possible beyond the simple hatches for roofs/siding as shown in my images above.

JB

Re: 3D Document - won't show colors/materials

Erika Epstein — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:47:29 GMT

Use the internal engine.

Re: 3D Document - won't show colors/materials

Chazz — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:48:51 GMT

jbArch wrote:
Chazz-I'm just trying to get material colors.

Oh. Now I get it. Yes, that is possible because I do it all the time.

Re: 3D Document - won't show colors/materials

Chazz — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:54:53 GMT

Erika wrote:
Use the internal engine.

what she said

Re: 3D Document - won't show colors/materials

jbArch — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:37:35 GMT

yeah, I know it is possible because I can do it in a "fresh" file from the template. But was hoping to find a way to keep my current file and zap the bad prefs.

JB

Re: 3D Document - won't show colors/materials

Erika Epstein — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:32:56 GMT

empty cache

Re: 3D Document - won't show colors/materials

jbArch — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:17:02 GMT

Erika wrote:
empty cache

Thanks for the tip, but that doesn't change things. Best solution I've found so far is to merge the corrupt file into the clean template. This is fine but it means I need to redefine views and set up the layouts again.

cheers

p.s. Anyone know if this is still the way to do a "new and reset"?
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=4893#4893

That tip was posted back in version 9 or so. Tried it out and it doesn't help my file, but just want to be sure I'm doing it properly.

Re: 3D Document - won't show colors/materials

jbArch — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 06:25:46 GMT

Solved this little problem...

My Model View Combinations were carryovers from AC10, and the checkbox for "Override fill background color" was inadvertently checked. Of course, AC10 has no matching option... AC12 just automatically checked it.

I should have paid closer attention to this one. Never occurred to me that the model view options would affect the 3D Doc window.

Thanks for all the help,
JB

Re: 3D Document - won't show colors/materials

vfrontiers — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 06:29:12 GMT

Check your MODEL VIEW OPTIONS... Don't override the fills with EMPTY...

Edit... Nevermind, you found it.

Re: 3D Document - won't show colors/materials

jbArch — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 06:41:23 GMT

Hey thanks Duane.

The way I found it was by importing my old model view combos in to the new file... once I brought them in, I noticed that I lost my material colors.

Cheers,
JB