topic Re: Section: hidden skin separator lines in Modeling

Section: hidden skin separator lines

Anonymous — Sat, 25 Dec 2010 11:44:06 GMT

Hello,

Some skin separator lines off the composite structure are only visible in the floor plans not in any sections.

It are only those lines which fill is smaller than 25mm this.

For example the composite structure is as follow;
25mm gypsiumboard - 50 insulation and then again 25 mm gypsiumboard.

In section it shows just a simple wall 100mm thick. When i select the composites the hidden lines are white....

pls help. Thx

Re: Section: hidden skin separator lines

Anonymous — Sat, 25 Dec 2010 14:32:43 GMT

Nothing I can think of seems to quite fit with what you are describing. Possibilities are differences in pen settings, display or view options. Perhaps some screen shots would help clarify.

Re: Section: hidden skin separator lines

Anonymous — Sat, 25 Dec 2010 14:40:32 GMT

It could be your floor plan cut plane is higher than your walls instead of cutting through them. Check under the Document menu, open the Floor Plan Cut Plane dialog, and lower the "Cut-plane height to Current Level" so it cuts through the walls.

Re: Section: hidden skin separator lines

Anonymous — Sat, 25 Dec 2010 15:00:29 GMT

zeropointreference wrote:
It could be your floor plan cut plane is higher than your walls instead of cutting through them. Check under the Document menu, open the Floor Plan Cut Plane dialog, and lower the "Cut-plane height to Current Level" so it cuts through the walls.

If I understand correctly the problem is the reverse. The fills are showing properly in plan and not in section.

Re: Section: hidden skin separator lines

Anonymous — Sat, 25 Dec 2010 16:40:53 GMT

Hey guys thanks for the response, i will post a screenshot later today, first christmas!

Re: Section: hidden skin separator lines

Anonymous — Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:55:39 GMT

As promised a image showing the problem.

On the left you see a wall showing two red lines while it should be showing 4 lines (on the right)

the skin separator lines are gray 1[/img]

Re: Section: hidden skin separator lines

Srinivas — Sun, 26 Dec 2010 14:38:35 GMT

I believe Structural display settings that needs to be changed from "Core only" to "Entire Structure" in your View settings.

Re: Section: hidden skin separator lines

Anonymous — Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:22:54 GMT

Srinivas wrote:
I believe Structural display settings that needs to be changed from "Core only" to "Entire Structure" in your View settings.

I tried but no success. I checked in the composites manager and the line settings look alright.

Can this be a bug? Showing in floor plan but not in the sections?

Re: Section: hidden skin separator lines

Karl Ottenstein — Sun, 26 Dec 2010 22:19:40 GMT

If you have done all that (model view options to show all skins/fills) and still do not see the skin lines, then I suspect it is related to either or both (a) your scale and (b) the widths for the pens assigned to the various skins.

Try either or both: (1) setting your scale to something ridiculously large and (b) switching to hairline display (vs true weight) to track this down...

Re: Section: hidden skin separator lines

Anonymous — Mon, 27 Dec 2010 13:22:24 GMT

You might have duplicated a wall (two or more instances on the same spot). Check the add-on Check Duplicates Tool (Help / ArchiCAD 14 Downloads)

Re: Section: hidden skin separator lines

Anonymous — Mon, 27 Dec 2010 20:25:34 GMT

Tried everything no help...

Isn't it strange it only happens when the skin separator line is within 25mm of another line?

For example 50mm - 100mm - 50mm is no problem, but 25mm - 50 - 25 mm is...

Re: Section: hidden skin separator lines

Anonymous — Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:03:20 GMT

The problem is solved!

Solution:

When you use three symbol fills in a composite with the same name ex. empty fill 01 - fill 01 - fill 01, Archicad merges the fills and thus hiding the skin separator lines.

when changing the middle fill to empty fill 02 (fill 01 - fill 02 - fill 01) the problem is solved!

Epic but true:)

Re: Section: hidden skin separator lines

Anonymous — Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:45:54 GMT

Seren wrote:
When you use three symbol fills in a composite with the same name ex. empty fill 01 - fill 01 - fill 01, Archicad merges the fills and thus hiding the skin separator lines.

Not wanting to sound smug, I can not imagine any situation where you would want to use such fill names.

For me, the best way is to create fills with the actual name of what they represent. That way, every time you extract some quantities or even just tag a wall, you have all the information right there.

Re: Section: hidden skin separator lines

Anonymous — Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:23:42 GMT

Yes but it depends on what scale u draw and in which phase and if you're a student or professional

I name the fills like you do but i assign the same fill type so my metal stud wall is 3 times empty fill 01 8 )

thx all for the help!

Re: Section: hidden skin separator lines

Anonymous — Tue, 28 Dec 2010 16:33:52 GMT

If you want to hide the content of the walls (at an early stage of the design, or on a smaller scale), you can always do that on the view options (sorry the screenshot is in portuguese).