topic Re: Wisconsin demands BIM! in Modeling

Wisconsin demands BIM!

Anonymous — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:03:30 GMT

Wisconsin becomes the first American State to request BIM based projects for state owned facilities.

http://www.doa.state.wi.us/dsf/masterspec_view_new.asp?catid=61&locid=4

I'm moving!

(ArchiCad lists as one of the recognized BIM software)

Re: Wisconsin demands BIM!

Dwight — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:44:49 GMT

Wisconsin has horizontal rain.

Re: Wisconsin demands BIM!

Anonymous — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:24:28 GMT

Nobody is perfect.

Re: Wisconsin demands BIM!

Anonymous — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:57:08 GMT

Dwight wrote:
Wisconsin has horizontal rain.

Yeah... Like here.

Re: Wisconsin demands BIM!

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:11:05 GMT

Dwight, you are a silly boy. Have you ever been to Wisconsin? I was born and raised in Madison and I can tell you that there is a certain irony with a resident of Vancouver B.C. talking about horizontal rain in the upper Midwest. I'm sure it was calculated to get a laugh but fell flat on its face.

Stick with rendering. Meteorology is not your forte.

In the meantime, Wisconsin has always been fairly progressive and this decision seems well thought out.

Go Pack!

Re: Wisconsin demands BIM!

Dwight — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:07:12 GMT

When I was there, the rain was horizontal, completely unlike the happy, joyous and fragrant mist we have here.

Re: Wisconsin demands BIM!

Anonymous — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:30:47 GMT

Dwight wrote:
When I was there, the rain was horizontal, completely unlike the happy, joyous and fragrant mist we have here.

You should have said that we always have here 😛

I'd love to see Canadian Federal and Provincial projects also require BIM. Perhaps it won't be long!

Re: Wisconsin demands BIM!

Steve Jepson — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:38:47 GMT

Krippahl wrote:
Wisconsin becomes the first American State to request BIM based projects for state owned facilities.

http://www.doa.state.wi.us/dsf/masterspec_view_new.asp?catid=61&locid=4

I'm moving!

(ArchiCad lists as one of the recognized BIM software)

Apparently Wisconsin does not know the dirty little secret about BIM software. They all suck at actually extracting the BI into useful formats.

Does the state of Wisconsin require the BI or just the BIM ?

Re: Wisconsin demands BIM!

Anonymous — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:11:27 GMT

Steve wrote:
Apparently Wisconsin does not know the dirty little secret about BIM software. They all <b>[censored]</b> at actually extracting the BI into useful formats.

Compared to what? Yes it can be a pain but it does work.

Re: Wisconsin demands BIM!

Steve Jepson — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:53:27 GMT

Matthew wrote:
Steve wrote:
Apparently Wisconsin does not know the dirty little secret about BIM software. They all <b>[censored]</b> at actually extracting the BI into useful formats.
Compared to what? Yes it can be a pain but it does work.

Compared to the BI that can be extracted from a 2D set of working drawings. And ALMOST works, is the same as does NOT work to me.

I use ArchiCAD schedules and lists on a regular basis, and I am good at it, and in my opinion, ArhciCAD is ALMOST able to do what I need.

Perhaps the term "useful" is the important thing about the BI that can be extracted from an ArchiCAD model.

Useful to who, and useful for what?

I read the requirements they have for the BIM's and some of them are just plain silly. Fire sprinkler piping larger than 2" for example. That could exclude 90 percent of the piping on a 1 1/2" grided system.

If they would make a list of exactly what the BI they want to extract is, they would see that this information is not anything you can't get without a BIM.

Millions of buildings have been constructed without a BIM. The necessary, useful, and required information to construct the building all came form 2d plans, most of which did not even have the BI extracted from a digital file. All the information needed has been taken from the plans and specs.

This being the case, how is is reasonable to pass a law saying the project must be submitted as a 3D BIM ?

Will the State have software for all of the various programs that a BIM might be created with, and the staff to use it? What will they do with the BI in the model? Will they know how to extract it? Will we need to make smart parts that will generate the specific info they want in the exact format they want it?
Will they require you to sign over all rights you have to the BIM?
How will you protect your proprietary office standards, library parts, etc...
Will you have your BIM rejected because you did not use the State office standards and layers ?

There are so many problems with a law like this that they can not be listed here on this forum.

But it doesn't matter if the system for using the BIM is all worked out our not. All that matters is that the laws for it are established before it's ramifications are exposed.

Notice also some of the requirements for monitoring your work at different stages that are in the law.

Beware, the reason they want the BIM is not for the BI or the M.

This law is for the purpose of establishing State control, which will evolve into Federal control.

Welcome to the USSA, the United Socialist States of America.

Re: Wisconsin demands BIM!

Anonymous — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:55:37 GMT

I have not read the Bill and don't intend to but I understand that a BIM is required for Commercial projects over $2.5 Mil. I have confidence in IFC and this is a great opportunity to implement it. After all, wasn't 2x2 developed to facilitate Singapore's code check?

Hey Steve, you must have been devastated with the results last November huh? Can you see Russia from your porch? Next time you talk to Sarah remind her that Africa is a Continent.

Re: Wisconsin demands BIM!

Steve Jepson — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:02:53 GMT

Gary wrote:
I have not read the Bill and don't intend to but I understand that a BIM is required for Commercial projects over $2.5 Mil. I have confidence in IFC and this is a great opportunity to implement it. After all, wasn't 2x2 developed to facilitate Singapore's code check?

Hey Steve, you must have been devastated with the results last November huh? Can you see Russia from your porch? Next time you talk to Sarah remind her that Africa is a Continent.

Don't even get me started Gary....devastated is such an understatement.

Yes of course I keep an eye on the Commies from here. With the scope on my modified Bushmaster. And I have a picture of Sarah gutting a moose as my screen saver.

Re: Wisconsin demands BIM!

Laszlo Nagy — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:19:57 GMT

Steve wrote:
And I have a picture of Sarah gutting a moose as my screen saver.

Would you mind sharing it with us?

Re: Wisconsin demands BIM!

Dwight — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:36 GMT

laszlonagy wrote:
Steve wrote:
And I have a picture of Sarah gutting a moose as my screen saver.

You shouldn't talk about Joe Biden that way.

Re: Wisconsin demands BIM!

Steve Jepson — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:22:49 GMT

Would you mind sharing it with us?

I should probably let you google that for your self.

Shot at 2009-07-21

Re: Wisconsin demands BIM!

Anonymous — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:17:12 GMT

Somebody Photoshopped Palin's head into that picture. No one goes out in that weather with no hat and every hair in place. Nice idea but like Palin herself....a misrepresentation.

Re: Wisconsin demands BIM!

Anonymous — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:46:27 GMT

Gary wrote:
Somebody Photoshopped Palin's head into that picture...

...and not very well from what I can see.

Re: Wisconsin demands BIM!

Steve Jepson — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:57:08 GMT

it was a joke !

Here, do yo like this one better?

Shot at 2009-07-28

The point is, she makes all you flam'n liberal city slickers look like sissies.

Re: Wisconsin demands BIM!

Odd Goderstad — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:40:15 GMT

Finaly, a member of the USA sees the light, and crawls out of the cave...

Millions of buildings have been constructed without a BIM. The necessary, useful, and required information to construct the building all came form 2d plans, most of which did not even have the BI extracted from a digital file. All the information needed has been taken from the plans and specs.

And that means that there is no need to find ways to improve

BIM technology and methods has been proven to save time, money, and result in better products.

BTW. when you are extracting scedules and lists from your ArchiCAD model, you are actualy using BIM methods! Good ArchiCAD users have been using BIM since before the term BIM was invented! But some of them need to lift their view from their own little turf, and have a look at the next lot...., and the horizon...

And Wisconsin do not need all that software to read the different filetypes. There is a free and open format for BIM files.... It is called IFC Every decent BIM SW can save and read it, and it is not controlled by a SW vendor.

Scuse my english....