topic Re: Relative Guidelines Disappearing? in Modeling

Relative Guidelines Disappearing?

Chris Grantham — Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:14:08 GMT

I just started messing around with AC15, and I have noticed that the relative guidelines have disappeared. They are correctly selected in the "guideline options", anyone else having this problem?

Re: Relative Guidelines Disappearing?

Anonymous — Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:50:52 GMT

There has been a change to the guidelines. Now when you hover over an edge or such an orange dot will appear (fading in). Clicking on this will set a hard guideline. I find this a notable improvement over the prior, semiautomatic method (hover, wait for tentative guide, drag mouse along it to "harden" it). It's a breeze now to find intersecting points anywhere.

Re: Relative Guidelines Disappearing?

Chris Grantham — Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:00:41 GMT

Sorry I should have clarified some... I cannot get lines/walls to snap perpendicular or parallel to the guide lines, thus creating a relative guideline.

Re: Relative Guidelines Disappearing?

Anonymous — Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:11:34 GMT

So do you mean the shift constraints? I haven't had any problem with this.

Re: Relative Guidelines Disappearing?

Chris Grantham — Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:16:37 GMT

I suppose the shift constraints are gone to an extent. The perpendicular snap icon is gone, as is the parallel one. The shift constrains to the gird though.

Re: Relative Guidelines Disappearing?

Anonymous — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 19:41:23 GMT

There is a whole world of bugginess going on with Cursor Shift Variants & Relative Construction Methods over several versions of AC.

In AC13 the CSVs can be activated by just using Shift to constrain the cursor, although you can only access them through the Control Box palette.

In AC14 they introduced separate buttons for those who customize their work environment. Unfortunately, these new buttons will only work when using Shift if you have the Control box open! If you select a Relative Construction Method beforehand then the CSVs work form both the Control box and toolbar buttons.

Now in AC15, the Cursor Shift Variants will only work if you select a Relative Construction Method beforehand. If you don't, the CSVs won't work at all from either the Control Box or toolbar buttons!

Their functions can be replicated by using the guidelines, so is it time the CSVs and duplicated RCMs were retired? (two less things to debug?)

The only one I'd keep would be the Special Snap Constraint (the Boingy-Boingy tool! ) to quickly find a point halfway between two other arbitrary points.

Re: Relative Guidelines Disappearing?

Laura Yanoviak — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 19:46:19 GMT

Peter wrote:
Their functions can be replicated by using the guidelines, so is it time the CSVs and duplicated RCMs were retired? (two less things to debug?)

I haven't spent enough time with the "new guidelines" to trust them yet, as I've had to resort to the ol' Control box buttons many times in the past. I do miss the Cursor Shift Variants, tho.

Re: Relative Guidelines Disappearing?

Chris Grantham — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:26:53 GMT

My work around is dragging guide lines off of an element that has already established (dragging the orange "ball"). It takes some getting used to but I actually quite like it, and I think it is more accurate than the previous drill of hoping that it snaps to perpendicular/parallel. The other nice feature I found buried is the "lock to grid line". Taking away those tools actually seems to result in a more elegant solution. Thoughts?