topic Re: Complex Profiler: Help w/ making a part in Modeling

Complex Profiler: Help w/ making a part

Anonymous — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:39:29 GMT

I am trying to get into complex profiles and I need some help. Attached is a simple foundation wall & footing for use in residential projects. I want it modeled just as it has been drawn, with a light line separating the footing from the wall, and the rebar showing as well as the anchor bolt. I left the sill plate off because it may change from project to project...

In profile manager, you use just fills and lines are merely for construction, correct? When I make the part as shown, I lose everything except the fills....

The two separate fills for the foundation wall and the footing combine, and I don't want that. I want the line between the two. How?

Also, how do you add the rebar and the anchor bolt?

Re: Complex Profiler: Help w/ making a part

Anonymous — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:48:06 GMT

Also, I have turned on the stretch parameters in case I want the wall to get taller. When I go to stretch, it stretches the whole part, including the height of the footing itself, which I do not want stretched. How do I go about this?

Re: Complex Profiler: Help w/ making a part

Jere — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:28:45 GMT

Only fills are used in a complex profile. Lines are only used as a drafting aid. If you want your anchor bolts and rebar to be modelled, they have to be drawn. Personally, I'd add the rebar on a detail drawing.

To get the footing and wall to be separate, they need to be different fills. If you want them to be the same fill, just make a copy of the new fill under a different name.

Example:
wall: concrete fill1
footing: concrete fill2

Do you have the lower stretch line at the top or bottom of the footing?

Re: Complex Profiler: Help w/ making a part

Anonymous — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:34:49 GMT

Jere wrote:
Only fills are used in a complex profile. Lines are only used as a drafting aid. If you want your anchor bolts and rebar to be modelled, they have to be drawn. Personally, I'd add the rebar on a detail drawing.

To get the footing and wall to be separate, they need to be different fills. If you want them to be the same fill, just make a copy of the new fill under a different name.

Example:
wall: concrete fill1
footing: concrete fill2

Do you have the lower stretch line at the top or bottom of the footing?

I have the lower stretch line @ the bottom of the footing. If I move it to the top, will this fix that?

I get your idea on keeping the same fills, just changing the name.

You say "If you want your anchor bolts and rebar to be modelled, they have to be drawn." Do you draw these as fills with edges that have a dashed line?

Re: Complex Profiler: Help w/ making a part

Anonymous — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:54:57 GMT

Ok, I got the stretch line fixed, the fill fixed, and managed to get some footing rebar placed in there. It takes a little time up front but by saving it as a favorite in the template file, this will save us a lot of time in the long run!

Re: Complex Profiler: Help w/ making a part

Anonymous — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:55:41 GMT

Here it is...

Re: Complex Profiler: Help w/ making a part

Erich — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:54:51 GMT

Steven,

For some slightly self conflicting advice...

I would suggest you reconsider showing the rebar in your complex profile as it will add greatly to your polygon count (round forms in every foundation wall) and is really only necessary in your details where it can easily be drawn with 2D tools.

(Now for the conflicting part ) I generally add the mud sill to my complex foundation walls. It just makes things quicker in sections.

Re: Complex Profiler: Help w/ making a part

Anonymous — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:39:55 GMT

Steve
Along with mud sill you could also make your J bolts also show up in C.P. made with different fill than mud sill or fnd fill.
Just don't use rounded edges for lower poly count as Erich implies.

Re: Complex Profiler: Help w/ making a part

Anonymous — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:25:53 GMT

lec1212 wrote:
Steve
Along with mud sill you could also make your J bolts also show up in C.P. made with different fill than mud sill or fnd fill.
Just don't use rounded edges for lower poly count as Erich implies.

I have talked it over in the office and we are not going to show any rebar in the foundation, we will just add it as we detail as you have suggested. It is a large pain in the you know what to set that up with all the rebar...

Thanks for the advice about the sill plate and anchor bolts, I was thinking of showing them. Just a couple questions...

1) How do you draw a sill plate if you cannot use lines? I like to show the "X" going through the plate to denote it is a continuous piece of wood. How is this achieved?

2) What is the "poly count" problem? Does this slow down the model?

3) These complex profiles are used for building sections, but what happens when you get to more detailed wall sections? Do you use the detail tool and blow apart the profile into lines and fills, or do you just save a view with a larger scale and use different layers?

Re: Complex Profiler: Help w/ making a part

Anonymous — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:44:54 GMT

Also, notice the outlines here in this section. Some lines are thicker than others (the sill plate). Does this matter, and how do you change it if they do?

Re: Complex Profiler: Help w/ making a part

Anonymous — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:00:42 GMT

you could have just drawn the rebar using a fill with a dotted outline pen and transparent fill colour

Re: Complex Profiler: Help w/ making a part

Anonymous — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:06:05 GMT

Hi Steve
1. The x's are created by cutting your plate fill with the split tool, (hatchet).
Remember to use different fills before saving or it will "heal" itself.
2. Yes it slows down the model on large projects, (not relevant to me).
3. In section, I create new Detail of profile and annotate it.
You will find it in your Navigator map.
I keep mine in a special Detail.pln
Others may have better ways of doing this.
Look at your fill setting, the top option is for line used to outline fill with.
You can turn this off altogether if you wish.

Re: Complex Profiler: Help w/ making a part

Anonymous — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:15:41 GMT

Thanks for the advice. I think I now get the tool and all the quirks.

Re: Complex Profiler: Help w/ making a part

Anonymous — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:26:22 GMT

Your welcome Steve.

Genos, thanks for your comment, I had not thought of that before.

Re: Complex Profiler: Help w/ making a part

Anonymous — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:26:25 GMT

Ok, now I've run into a further problem. It will not let me change the fill setting to be a cover or cut or drafting fill. The setting there is grayed out. If i put a fill somewhere else, floorplan for example, then I suck up the fill properties, I can then go into the profile with that specific fill category. Is this the way to do it or am I not seeing something?

Re: Complex Profiler: Help w/ making a part

Anonymous — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:28:56 GMT

gees, the censored word I said was succkkk, like to suckkk up the fill properties with the eye dropper tool. they really censor everything here, huh?

Re: Complex Profiler: Help w/ making a part

Anonymous — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:31:51 GMT

btw, if you add an anchor bolt, it extrudes it the whole length of the wall like one loooooonnnngggg anchor bolt, so that really doesn't represent what it should. I'll just leave it out.

Re: Complex Profiler: Help w/ making a part

Dwight — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:18:35 GMT

Steven wrote:
gees, the censored word I said was succkkk, like to suckkk up the fill properties with the eye dropper tool. they really censor everything here, huh?

Write to the moderator and ask them to post the list of banned words.

Re: Complex Profiler: Help w/ making a part

Anonymous — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:26:05 GMT

Will do...

Re: Complex Profiler: Help w/ making a part

Anonymous — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:00:02 GMT

Ooops
Sorry about that Steve, obviously I had not thought the anchor idea through!
But you could drop them in if you were making an object of it, but that's not what you would be doing here, so my screwww up.