topic Re: looooong wait for AC 8 to power up in Modeling

looooong wait for AC 8 to power up

Anonymous — Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:03:16 GMT

Hi,

This is more a comment than anything else... Our central server (which all files are on) is under repair today, so everyone copied the files they needed to their own computer.

I'm running OS 10.3 & AC 8v3 on a dual 1Ghz G4 and I have to wait about 15-20 minutes for the login screen for ArchiCAD dissapears and it tells asks me what I want to open... After I browse and point to the file, then I'm almost home with a 10 minute wait for it to tell me that the libraries are not there (which is true). When I point to the right libraries, then it seems to speed up a bit, but that's still a 1/2 hour wait to open a simple drawing!

The only thing that changed is the Server that's not there. It will take that same amount of time even if I pull the network plug out of the back. I tried re-installing AC, and that did nothing. Everything else on the computer seems to run fine.

Luc

Re: looooong wait for AC 8 to power up

David Larrew — Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:14:12 GMT

I don't know if this will help, but... Try Exiting AC, then deleting all of your ".PRF" files out of your ArchiCAD program folder. Then restart AC. My office has found that this sometimes will fix performance issues with individual AC installs (although, we are running Windows XP).

Re: looooong wait for AC 8 to power up

Anonymous — Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:51:03 GMT

The only solution is:

Back up
Reinitialize drive
Install 10.3
Install AC as the first application
Do not ever dream of installing 9.2 or start classic
Do not import old pre 8 libs

I have vent through this and the culprit I believe is 9.2

this login in and out of this site is gross, it there a solution to stay logged

Re: looooong wait for AC 8 to power up

Anonymous — Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:20:06 GMT

Me again,

Thanks Albert, I'll probably do that. My computer was backed-up and installed 10.3 lately, but not a clean install. I do have 9.2 on the computer, but I'm not running it. AC was already on there when we installed 10.3, I don't know if that makes a difference...

For some reason, I think it's looking for the key. We use a combination of physical keys and network keys, and the network keys are not on today because of the server down (which is the only thing different today). I'll also delete the preference files (which may or may not be key-related).

Luc

Re: looooong wait for AC 8 to power up

David Larrew — Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:33:18 GMT

Take a look at Karl's posted Tip for WIBU keys:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=134

Re: looooong wait for AC 8 to power up

Anonymous — Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:52:51 GMT

I'm not sure how to control or fix it, but I have noticed that AC remembers when it has loaded things from a server, and it will try to connect when you launch it. I've never seen anyone mention this before, but I know it has happened to me recently when we got a new computer and phased out an older one. After the older computer was phased out, AC would ask to connect to it when it was launched. We only used that computer as a plot server, so I'm not sure why it wanted to connect to that computer as it had no libraries or such (at least that I would load intentionally).

Re: looooong wait for AC 8 to power up

Anonymous — Sat, 15 Nov 2003 03:19:03 GMT

I have found the same problem when I am away from the office. ArchiCAD spends a loooong time trying to find the recently loaded files that aren't there because I am no longer on the network that has the server where the recent files are located. This is a big pain in the neck. It seems that ArchiCAD should first look to see what volumes are mounted and show only recent files on those volumes.

Re: looooong wait for AC 8 to power up

Anonymous — Sat, 15 Nov 2003 03:32:23 GMT

Wait...

I take back what I just said (or wrote). I just launched ArchiCAD away from the office and it started right up quick as a wink. It must have been an earlier build of 8.1 that was giving me trouble before.

Overall I must say that 8.1 is amazingly quick. Maybe it has something to do with Panther too, but I have been delighted lately with the performance. Even Teamwork is so fast that we are thinking of using it all the time at the office.

Re: looooong wait for AC 8 to power up

__archiben — Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:02:57 GMT

there have been 'quirks' with archiCAD and mac networking since 8.0.0. there are also instances with other applications (including the finder!) where a disconnected network sends it into the beachball-of-death spin.

i have a 'Location' set up in my network preferences with no network ports active. if i am offline (i have a laptop) for any period of time, i switch to this 'location' so that the computer can't look for any network. much much quicker at throwing up a 'Can't find this, that or the other...' dialogue box whenever it has to find a networked file...

hth
~/archiben

Re: looooong wait for AC 8 to power up

Djordje — Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:20:30 GMT

symm wrote:
IAfter the older computer was phased out, AC would ask to connect to it when it was launched. We only used that computer as a plot server, so I'm not sure why it wanted to connect to that computer as it had no libraries or such (at least that I would load intentionally).

Well, your plotter was probably on that computer, and you plotted from ArchiCAD or PlotMaker?

ArchiCAD does remember the network config and what is loaded from where; we had a pretty mess a month or so ago for the same reason. The first resave solved the problem.

Re: looooong wait for AC 8 to power up

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Nov 2003 04:56:09 GMT

Djordje wrote:
Well, your plotter was probably on that computer, and you plotted from ArchiCAD or PlotMaker?

ArchiCAD does remember the network config and what is loaded from where; we had a pretty mess a month or so ago for the same reason. The first resave solved the problem.

I never plot from ArchiCAD, so I thought it was strange that it wanted to connect to it. But it doesn't matter anyhow, because like you said, saving the file fixes it.

Re: looooong wait for AC 8 to power up

Anonymous — Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:16:29 GMT

Yes, saving the file with the updated locations of libraries & such seems to settle the problem... but our server here changed name, so every single file we open is going to take forever (at least the first time we open them).

I tried with AC7 & AC6 files, and they tell me right away it can't find libraries (which is what it should be, in my mind) and then just point & click and you're done. Why is AC 8 different? Is there a way to bypass this 1/2 hour wait?

Luc

Re: looooong wait for AC 8 to power up

Anonymous — Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:36:41 GMT

I just copied a file from the office server to my laptop to work on at home and the file is taking a HUGE amount of time to load. (loading in the background as I type). Not sure what it is related to except it is probably looking for the libraries that won't be found as the path needs to be changed to the laptop.

Re: looooong wait for AC 8 to power up

Djordje — Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:16:25 GMT

Luc_M wrote:
I tried with AC7 & AC6 files, and they tell me right away it can't find libraries (which is what it should be, in my mind) and then just point & click and you're done. Why is AC 8 different? Is there a way to bypass this 1/2 hour wait?

8.x is preserving relative paths, so that you don't have to relink everyhting, search for libraries, etc. This is the downside.

Re: looooong wait for AC 8 to power up

Anonymous — Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:32:20 GMT

I finally got the file to open on my laptop. Lots of frustration though! I hit the command period several times and after awhile the file released. When I move the file back to the server this morning, it took a little longer to load than usual, but not an extremely long time. Anyway I got the modifications in and I was able to relink a entire layout book to an alternate design. The new plotmaker is great!

Re: looooong wait for AC 8 to power up

Anonymous — Wed, 03 Dec 2003 02:41:22 GMT

This happened to a couple of people at our office that work on laptops off the network. The first work around that I have tried with pretty good success was a clean install. I removed all previous preferences (AC and plotmaker) files I could find on my machine. I removed the plotmaker files because BGArchicad was launching extremely slow when off the network as well. After removing everything I performed a clean install so the installer could not go link to existing prefs.

I worked a couple of weeks with no noticable slow down until yesterday. Without AC launched, I opened a file copied from the network and hit the slow down bug. One quick suggestion that seems to have corrected this was to launch AC directly- create a new project- and use default setting. After the new untitled pln opens, open your project.pln file. This one step seems to reset the prefs. Maybe someone else in the group can elaborate on why this works or if truley does.

Michael (the office guinea pig) Kopecky
osx.3.1 AC8.1
G4 800mhz

Re: looooong wait for AC 8 to power up

Anonymous — Tue, 09 Dec 2003 03:57:18 GMT

Sorry, that does not seem to work. This has to be corrected by Graphsoft. There should not have to be a work around to open a file.

Michael (sitting here for 15 minutes waiting on a file to open) Kopecky.